RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-30 Thread Landon Blake
- The Sunburned Surveyor) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Warmerdam Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:13 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity Landon Blake wrote: > Promotion and support of open so

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-30 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Landon Blake wrote: Promotion and support of open source software is an important part of what we do at the OSGeo. But if you really want to make OSGeo an organization that matters to the general public you have to see it as an organization that promotes the use of open source GIS to solve the bi

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-30 Thread Landon Blake
. - Thanks to Howard for the excellent post. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:48 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity vs leech of resources Thanks for the insight; Ri

[OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity vs leech of resources

2007-08-30 Thread Jody Garnett
Thanks for the insight; Right now the pitch is: "We are taking part in OSGeo in order to meet with the rest of the community" I am not looking for much return out of OSGeo until the projects I am involved in finish incubation (am I alone in this?). So far I feel bad that we are taking up ton

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-30 Thread Paul Ramsey
It depends a great deal on whether OSGeo wants to be self-sustaining at the $1000 level or the $10 level. At the $1000 level we shut everything down and put a paypal button on the front page, mission accomplished. At the $10 level, job one is to direct the money at places where i

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-30 Thread Jason Birch
ontinued involvement. I sincerely hope that the new board (and Tyler) are making this topic their highest priority. Jason From: Gavin Fleming Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity On Jo's last point re funding travel expenses, this would be a huge

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Gavin Fleming
al Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Walsh Sent: 30 August 2007 12:20 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity dear Howard, thanks for your email which has been along with its responses very thought-provoking, On Tue, Aug 28, 200

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread RAVI KUMAR
Success of Open Source' by Steven Weber, who writes from the perspective of an 'outsider', a political scientist. Gavin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P Kishor Sent: 29 August 2007 05:40 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject:

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Jo Walsh
dear Howard, thanks for your email which has been along with its responses very thought-provoking, On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 10:18:36PM -0700, Dave Patton wrote: > Howard Butler wrote: > >Most of OSGeo's measurable successes to date have been volunteer > >efforts, not primarily financially-backed o

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Howard Butler wrote: Open source software works because people acting in their own self interest have the auxiliary benefit of helping everyone in the project. Report your pet bug, file a patch, add a new feature -- all of these things immediately help you, but ultimately help the project. Th

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Sean Gillies
Frank Warmerdam wrote: Sean Gillies wrote: I'm contributing financially to OSGeo? How much? I don't remember reading anywhere on the conference website that the event is about OSGeo revenue. Sean, Relax, the conference sponsors are effectively subsidizing attendies. If the conference makes

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Paul Ramsey
Indeed, and if you want to be subsidized further, come to the Wednesday Banquet, since the ticket price is less than the per-person cost by some 30%. ;) P Frank Warmerdam wrote: Sean Gillies wrote: I'm contributing financially to OSGeo? How much? I don't remember reading anywhere on the conf

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Sean Gillies wrote: I'm contributing financially to OSGeo? How much? I don't remember reading anywhere on the conference website that the event is about OSGeo revenue. Sean, Relax, the conference sponsors are effectively subsidizing attendies. If the conference makes a small profit, then it

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Dave Patton
Sean Gillies wrote: Dave Patton wrote: The actual dollar number that you come up with will depend on various factors, but you can argue that both the 500+ registrants for the conference, and the conference's Sponsors/Exhibitors are all contributing financially to OSGeo. I'm contributing fina

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Sean Gillies
Dave Patton wrote: Howard Butler wrote: Most of OSGeo's measurable successes to date have been volunteer efforts, not primarily financially-backed ones. The OSGeo Journal effort, Google Summer of Code administration, the Geodata committee's efforts, and even much of our system administration

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-29 Thread Gavin Fleming
CTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P Kishor Sent: 29 August 2007 05:40 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity Very well written Howard. In tribute to your writing, I will promptly snitch some ideas from your writing below. I have been tackling this iss

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-28 Thread Dave Patton
Howard Butler wrote: Most of OSGeo's measurable successes to date have been volunteer efforts, not primarily financially-backed ones. The OSGeo Journal effort, Google Summer of Code administration, the Geodata committee's efforts, and even much of our system administration to keep the lights

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-28 Thread P Kishor
Very well written Howard. In tribute to your writing, I will promptly snitch some ideas from your writing below. I have been tackling this issue of "selling" open geospatial, particularly to agencies for whom generally financial cost is a non-issue. I try to tell them that in most "classes" open s

[OSGeo-Discuss] Return on Equity

2007-08-28 Thread Howard Butler
Open source software works because people acting in their own self interest have the auxiliary benefit of helping everyone in the project. Report your pet bug, file a patch, add a new feature -- all of these things immediately help you, but ultimately help the project. This activity also