Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-30 Thread Fawcett, David (MPCA)
: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license Markus Neteler wrote: A project can decide what makes the most sense for them. Note that for long-term projects a license change is rather difficult to realize (especially if older contributors are no longer traceable..). Just check

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-30 Thread Andrew Ross
On 07/27/2012 10:27 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: On 07/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-28 Thread Lester Caine
Markus Neteler wrote: A project can decide what makes the most sense for them. Note that for long-term projects a license change is rather difficult to realize (especially if older contributors are no longer traceable..). Just check out how long it's taking on openstreetmap ... -- Lester

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-28 Thread Seven (aka Arnulf)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28.07.2012 05:44, Andrew Ross wrote: On 27 July 2012 18:43, Markus Neteler nete...@osgeo.org mailto:nete...@osgeo.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org mailto:andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote:

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Il 27/07/2012 12:45, Mateusz Loskot ha scritto: GPL is dying, of natural causes. http://ostatic.com/blog/the-top-licenses-on-github Best regards, is this true only on GH, or is it a general phenomenon? -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Doug_Newcomb
Il 27/07/2012 12:45, Mateusz Loskot ha scritto: GPL is dying, of natural causes. http://ostatic.com/blog/the-top-licenses-on-github Best regards, is this true only on GH, or is it a general phenomenon? Well, if you do a quick search for GPL on github,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 July 2012 11:47, Markus Neteler nete...@osgeo.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Andrew Ross
On 07/27/2012 12:55 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: 3.You can also re-license the finished product under a commercial license of your choice this seems to be the biggest difference with LGPL. But there's also another big difference, and EPL program is incompatible with all other OS licenses

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote: BSD, MIT, Apache wouldn't have this issue - at the expense of not having the weak copyleft. Basically people can take the code and do what they wish with it. +1 -- Puneet Kishor

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Landon Blake
FYI: I release all of the code for my projects under the GPL and LGPL, and have no plans on switching for my projects. So the licenses aren't dead quite yet. :] I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the greater adoption that comes with a weaker license, and the stricter

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Seven (aka Arnulf)
On 07/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and I'm also sure many of us can name

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Jody Garnett
Nobody has expressed interest in GeoTools and we are very happy where we are with LGPL as a biz friendly license. uDig is attempting an out reach to the Eclipse foundation, both as a source of developer trained up in the Eclipse RCP framework which use as our plugin system, and as we are

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote: On 07/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a mixed bag about

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com wrote: I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the greater adoption that comes with a weaker license, and the stricter adherence to open source principles that come with a stronger license.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Ian Turton
On 27 July 2012 15:50, Mr. Puneet Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com wrote: I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the greater adoption that comes with a weaker license, and the stricter

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 July 2012 15:50, Mr. Puneet Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com wrote: I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I hesitate to get into this discussion, but... Puneet wrote: [...] I short-circuit all license discussions in my personal domain by not having any license. Life is too short and precious, in my view, to encumber with these complications. Do you literally mean no license at all? That might

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 27 July 2012 15:27, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote: On 07/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote: I hesitate to get into this discussion, but... Puneet wrote: [...] I short-circuit all license discussions in my personal domain by not having any license. Life is too short and precious, in my view, to encumber with

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Doug_Newcomb
/27/2012 02:01 PM Please respond to m...@flaxen.com To 'Mr. Puneet Kishor' punk.k...@gmail.com, discuss@lists.osgeo.org cc Subject Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license I hesitate to get into this discussion, but... Puneet wrote: [...] I short-circuit all license

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, doug_newc...@fws.gov wrote: I would have to echo that. I do not see using code at work that does not have any licensing information attached. Agreed. -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Andrew Ross
Landon, For what it's worth... I eagerly read that link you provided. It represents one end of the spectrum for values and principles in terms of open source. I believe it's fair to say that end of the spectrum is fairly staunch and recognized by some as radical and even marginalizing. I

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread rburhum
As someone who has done several for-pay projects (both big and small) to combine proprietary and foss4g code, I can give a summary from a set of anecdotal evidence and trends that I have noticed from a US-based consultant point of view. From my experience, the adoption of an open source project

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Andrew Ross
On 27 July 2012 18:43, Markus Neteler nete...@osgeo.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote: ... A project can decide what makes the most sense for them. Note that for long-term projects a license change is rather difficult to realize

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Ragi, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. You've saved me a lot of time -- Mateusz Loskot (Sent from phone, apology for any top-posting or broken quoting) On 27 Jul 2012 21:11, rburhum r...@burhum.com wrote: As someone who has done several for-pay projects (both big and small) to

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-26 Thread Alex Mandel
This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL components. Aside from that though, reading about the Apache SIS project