Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest - Reply to Mike Saunt

[Arnulf Christl]

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Jody,
well said, I agree. But we may want to improve / enhance this message
some more because it is one of the key aspects of Open Source. You
want it? We want provide to provide it. What do we need? A well
defined scope of the problem (outcome of a plug-fest). To get there we
ideally want a concise user story (plan what plugs to test in the
fest). Then we need a commitment to get the funding to implement it.

As a result you get the feature you need in forseeable time - as Open
Source and for all to share.

For us Open Sourceres this is obvious but for many used to proprietary
software thinking this is not obvious at all. Therfore... /me is
preaching to the converted crowd here, sorry about that. :-)

Cheers,
Arnulf

On 10/09/2013 01:14 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> My point was more that a "negative result" is a positive
> opportunity to fund our open source projects :D -- Jody Garnett
> 
> On 09/10/2013, at 8:12 PM, Ian Edwards  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jody, all
>> 
>> Take a look at the Iris project on OSGeo live for powerful NetCDF
>> handling http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/iris_overview.html
>> 
>> The OSGeo Live 7.0 version of the NetCDF4 python library
>> dependency is broken, but can be easily fixed with...
>> 
>> pip install -I netCDF4==1.0.4
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Jody Garnett
>> mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> For the Sydney "Climate Change Interoperability Plugfest" we had
>> a different kind of response. Much of the climate change data
>> was provided in NetCDF "format" which most of those participating
>> were unable to deal with.
>> 
>> This kind of response highlighted an opportunity for funding. -- 
>> Jody Garnett
>> 
>> On 01/10/2013, at 6:36 AM, Peter Cotroneo 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'd like to address Mike Saunt's concerns about the negative
>> backlash if software doesn't have a positive outcome during the
>> UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest.
>>> 
>>> It’s a valid concern indeed, but the general philosophy of the
>> plugfest is that there should be no negative outcome.  If issues 
>> are uncovered during sprint 1, then vendors have time to either 
>> fix them or to indicate how they will resolve them in the future 
>> through their road maps.  I believe the latter will be seen as 
>> quite positive in the GI industry.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest - Reply to Mike Saunt

[Jody Garnett]

My point was more that a "negative result" is a positive opportunity to fund 
our open source projects :D
--
Jody Garnett

On 09/10/2013, at 8:12 PM, Ian Edwards  wrote:

> Hi Jody, all
> 
> Take a look at the Iris project on OSGeo live for powerful NetCDF handling
>http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/iris_overview.html
> 
> The OSGeo Live 7.0 version of the NetCDF4 python library dependency is 
> broken, but can be easily fixed with...
> 
>   pip install -I netCDF4==1.0.4
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> For the Sydney "Climate Change Interoperability Plugfest" we had a different 
> kind of response. Much of the climate change data was provided in NetCDF 
> "format" which most of those participating were unable to deal with.
> 
> This kind of response highlighted an opportunity for funding.
> --
> Jody Garnett
> 
> On 01/10/2013, at 6:36 AM, Peter Cotroneo 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd like to address Mike Saunt's concerns about the negative backlash if 
> > software doesn't have a positive outcome during the UK Interoperability 
> > Assessment Plugfest.
> >
> > It’s a valid concern indeed, but the general philosophy of the plugfest is 
> > that there should be no negative outcome.  If issues are uncovered during 
> > sprint 1, then vendors have time to either fix them or to indicate how they 
> > will resolve them in the future through their road maps.  I believe the 
> > latter will be seen as quite positive in the GI industry.
> >
> > Peter
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest - Reply to Mike Saunt

[Ian Edwards]

Hi Jody, all

Take a look at the Iris project on OSGeo live for powerful NetCDF handling
   http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/iris_overview.html

The OSGeo Live 7.0 version of the NetCDF4 python library dependency is
broken, but can be easily fixed with...

  pip install -I netCDF4==1.0.4

Ian



On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

> For the Sydney "Climate Change Interoperability Plugfest" we had a
> different kind of response. Much of the climate change data was provided in
> NetCDF "format" which most of those participating were unable to deal with.
>
> This kind of response highlighted an opportunity for funding.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 01/10/2013, at 6:36 AM, Peter Cotroneo <
> peter.cotro...@ordnancesurvey.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd like to address Mike Saunt's concerns about the negative backlash if
> software doesn't have a positive outcome during the UK Interoperability
> Assessment Plugfest.
> >
> > It’s a valid concern indeed, but the general philosophy of the plugfest
> is that there should be no negative outcome.  If issues are uncovered
> during sprint 1, then vendors have time to either fix them or to indicate
> how they will resolve them in the future through their road maps.  I
> believe the latter will be seen as quite positive in the GI industry.
> >
> > Peter
> > This email is only intended for the person to whom it is addressed and
> may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in
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> any contract be formed on Ordnance Survey's behalf via email. We reserve
> the right to monitor emails and attachments without prior notice.
> >
> > Thank you for your cooperation.
> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest - Reply to Mike Saunt

[Jody Garnett]

For the Sydney "Climate Change Interoperability Plugfest" we had a different 
kind of response. Much of the climate change data was provided in NetCDF 
"format" which most of those participating were unable to deal with.

This kind of response highlighted an opportunity for funding.
--
Jody Garnett

On 01/10/2013, at 6:36 AM, Peter Cotroneo  
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to address Mike Saunt's concerns about the negative backlash if 
> software doesn't have a positive outcome during the UK Interoperability 
> Assessment Plugfest.
> 
> It’s a valid concern indeed, but the general philosophy of the plugfest is 
> that there should be no negative outcome.  If issues are uncovered during 
> sprint 1, then vendors have time to either fix them or to indicate how they 
> will resolve them in the future through their road maps.  I believe the 
> latter will be seen as quite positive in the GI industry.
> 
> Peter
> This email is only intended for the person to whom it is addressed and may 
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> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest - Reply to Mike Saunt

[Jody Garnett]

For the Sydney "Climate Change Interoperability Plugfest" we had a different 
kind of response. Much of the climate change data was provided in NetCDF 
"format" which most of those participating were unable to deal with.

This kind of response highlighted an opportunity for funding.
--
Jody Garnett

On 01/10/2013, at 6:36 AM, Peter Cotroneo  
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to address Mike Saunt's concerns about the negative backlash if 
> software doesn't have a positive outcome during the UK Interoperability 
> Assessment Plugfest.
> 
> It’s a valid concern indeed, but the general philosophy of the plugfest is 
> that there should be no negative outcome.  If issues are uncovered during 
> sprint 1, then vendors have time to either fix them or to indicate how they 
> will resolve them in the future through their road maps.  I believe the 
> latter will be seen as quite positive in the GI industry.
> 
> Peter
> This email is only intended for the person to whom it is addressed and may 
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> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest - Reply to Mike Saunt

[Peter Cotroneo]

Hi,

I'd like to address Mike Saunt's concerns about the negative backlash if 
software doesn't have a positive outcome during the UK Interoperability 
Assessment Plugfest.

It’s a valid concern indeed, but the general philosophy of the plugfest is that 
there should be no negative outcome.  If issues are uncovered during sprint 1, 
then vendors have time to either fix them or to indicate how they will resolve 
them in the future through their road maps.  I believe the latter will be seen 
as quite positive in the GI industry.

Peter
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest

[Mike Saunt]

Daniel, Arnulf et all

Astun have been in contact with the Ordnance Survey regarding this and
would like to participate.  I'm still trying to understand the outcomes
from a business perspective i.e. will there be negative backlash if
software doesn't have a positive outcome.

We have a possible issue with timing but we should be able work though this.

My thoughts at present are that the following software would be looked at
by Astun (which are core to our services):

   - MapServer (vanilla - MapCache potentially could if people felt the
   need)
   - GeoServer (vanilla)
   - OGR (via Loader!)
   - QGIS (Client only)


Interestingly, I think the latter 3 are all used by OS so I'll be
interested to understand their view on the 'compliance' of those.

I'll try to keep you all posted on this - if any other UK OSGeo users /
companies (or elsewhere in the world) would like to be involved I'm happy
to try to coordinate where possible - unless someone else wishes to...


Thanks
Mike



On 27 September 2013 22:48, Daniel Morissette wrote:

> I agree that it would be great if OSGeo would participate.
>
> The best would be to have a champion, ideally based in UK, to coordinate
> OSGeo's involvement and be the liaison between the organizers and the rest
> of the OSGeo community. Any volunteer?
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> On 13-09-26 9:17 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>> I very much support this activity and believe that it would be quite
>> beneficial to participate. Ordnance Survey is a powerful multiplier in
>> the UK geospatial business due to its position as the main data
>> provider to the public. There is a license program in place called
>> PSMA (Public Sector Mapping Agreement) entitling all public sector
>> broad access to OS data. Not Bene - this is a lot more than what is
>> published through the Open Data program licensed under the Open
>> Government License. I think it is important to understand what data is
>> available and also what can be done with the service offering of
>> Ordnance Survey. The plugfest will additionally allow you to
>> interoperate with other software you typically encounter in the area.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Arnulf
>>
>> PS: I am not working for or paid by Ordnance Survey or OGC and nobody
>> made me say ony of this, it is just my own little gut feeling.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Peter Cotroneo
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm leading a joint Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) and Ordnance
>>> Survyey interoperability plugfest to test OGC standards in the UK
>>> geospatial community.  So far, there has been a lot of interest from
>>> commercial vendors in the UK, and I would very much like that the open
>>> source community be represented at the plugfest as well.
>>>
>>> The plugfest will be held at Ordnance Survey headquarters in
>>> Southampton, UK.  There will be two sprints, one on the 17th of October and
>>> the other on the 9th of December.  There will also be a results
>>> presentation on the 10th of December.
>>>
>>> The following link gives more information about the plugfest, including
>>> a call for participation document.
>>>
>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/**node/1892
>>>
>>> The deadline to participate is the 2nd of October.  I hope that OSGeo
>>> can join us!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Peter Cotroneo CGeog (GIS) FRGS
>>> Senior Manager - Geospatial Web Services
>>> Products & Innovation
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest

[Daniel Morissette]

I agree that it would be great if OSGeo would participate.

The best would be to have a champion, ideally based in UK, to coordinate 
OSGeo's involvement and be the liaison between the organizers and the 
rest of the OSGeo community. Any volunteer?


Daniel



On 13-09-26 9:17 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:

Folks,
I very much support this activity and believe that it would be quite
beneficial to participate. Ordnance Survey is a powerful multiplier in
the UK geospatial business due to its position as the main data
provider to the public. There is a license program in place called
PSMA (Public Sector Mapping Agreement) entitling all public sector
broad access to OS data. Not Bene - this is a lot more than what is
published through the Open Data program licensed under the Open
Government License. I think it is important to understand what data is
available and also what can be done with the service offering of
Ordnance Survey. The plugfest will additionally allow you to
interoperate with other software you typically encounter in the area.

Cheers,
Arnulf

PS: I am not working for or paid by Ordnance Survey or OGC and nobody
made me say ony of this, it is just my own little gut feeling.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Peter Cotroneo
 wrote:

Hi,

I'm leading a joint Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) and Ordnance Survyey 
interoperability plugfest to test OGC standards in the UK geospatial community. 
 So far, there has been a lot of interest from commercial vendors in the UK, 
and I would very much like that the open source community be represented at the 
plugfest as well.

The plugfest will be held at Ordnance Survey headquarters in Southampton, UK.  
There will be two sprints, one on the 17th of October and the other on the 9th 
of December.  There will also be a results presentation on the 10th of December.

The following link gives more information about the plugfest, including a call 
for participation document.

http://www.opengeospatial.org/node/1892

The deadline to participate is the 2nd of October.  I hope that OSGeo can join 
us!

Cheers,

Peter

Peter Cotroneo CGeog (GIS) FRGS
Senior Manager - Geospatial Web Services
Products & Innovation
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest

[Arnulf Christl]

Folks,
I very much support this activity and believe that it would be quite
beneficial to participate. Ordnance Survey is a powerful multiplier in
the UK geospatial business due to its position as the main data
provider to the public. There is a license program in place called
PSMA (Public Sector Mapping Agreement) entitling all public sector
broad access to OS data. Not Bene - this is a lot more than what is
published through the Open Data program licensed under the Open
Government License. I think it is important to understand what data is
available and also what can be done with the service offering of
Ordnance Survey. The plugfest will additionally allow you to
interoperate with other software you typically encounter in the area.

Cheers,
Arnulf

PS: I am not working for or paid by Ordnance Survey or OGC and nobody
made me say ony of this, it is just my own little gut feeling.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Peter Cotroneo
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm leading a joint Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) and Ordnance Survyey 
> interoperability plugfest to test OGC standards in the UK geospatial 
> community.  So far, there has been a lot of interest from commercial vendors 
> in the UK, and I would very much like that the open source community be 
> represented at the plugfest as well.
>
> The plugfest will be held at Ordnance Survey headquarters in Southampton, UK. 
>  There will be two sprints, one on the 17th of October and the other on the 
> 9th of December.  There will also be a results presentation on the 10th of 
> December.
>
> The following link gives more information about the plugfest, including a 
> call for participation document.
>
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/node/1892
>
> The deadline to participate is the 2nd of October.  I hope that OSGeo can 
> join us!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Cotroneo CGeog (GIS) FRGS
> Senior Manager - Geospatial Web Services
> Products & Innovation
> Ordnance Survey
> Adanac Drive
> Southampton
> SO16 OAS
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[OSGeo-Discuss] UK Interoperability Assessment Plugfest

[Peter Cotroneo]

Hi,

I'm leading a joint Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) and Ordnance Survyey 
interoperability plugfest to test OGC standards in the UK geospatial community. 
 So far, there has been a lot of interest from commercial vendors in the UK, 
and I would very much like that the open source community be represented at the 
plugfest as well.

The plugfest will be held at Ordnance Survey headquarters in Southampton, UK.  
There will be two sprints, one on the 17th of October and the other on the 9th 
of December.  There will also be a results presentation on the 10th of December.

The following link gives more information about the plugfest, including a call 
for participation document.

http://www.opengeospatial.org/node/1892

The deadline to participate is the 2nd of October.  I hope that OSGeo can join 
us!

Cheers,

Peter

Peter Cotroneo CGeog (GIS) FRGS
Senior Manager - Geospatial Web Services
Products & Innovation
Ordnance Survey
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