Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit, now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Judit Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pyroGIS schrieb: Fellow listers, Where I'm wondering about going next is down the whole Web Mapping road. What are your opinions on GeoServer vs. MapServer vs. OpenLayers? Those seem to get the most love from the OS community ... should I skip worldKit? what about deegree? Hello Joe, if you are interested in a large community you might find MapServer and GeoServer more appealing than deegree. I can't say much more about the first two, as I've never used either. But there has been a presentation comparing GeoServer and MapServer at the last FOSS4G. You will probably find the slides online. Suggestion - what about getting this page updated with comments from this thread: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Choosing_a_Web_Mapping_Platform Don't hesitate to modify the Wiki page! Cheers, Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit,now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
Markus, What's all that stuff in there about managed and un-managed supposed to describe? Seems to be somewhat out of date. I think I would start over with the whole bottom section. Another thing with this page is, I wouldn't feel comfortable goin g in there and changing anything without knowing the details about each package listed. I think a different approach is needed that reflects each package more directly. I'm involved in the GeoMoose project for Example, which is a WebFront for MapServer ( and will be using OpenLayers LIBs in the near future as well). I would prefer to describe each package separately along with how they interact. Possibly as a spreadsheet to begin with. Is this approariate for this page, or in some other ?? Thanks bobb Markus Neteler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/08 11:03 AM On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Judit Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pyroGIS schrieb: Fellow listers, Where I'm wondering about going next is down the whole Web Mapping road. What are your opinions on GeoServer vs. MapServer vs. OpenLayers? Those seem to get the most love from the OS community ... should I skip worldKit? what about deegree? Hello Joe, if you are interested in a large community you might find MapServer and GeoServer more appealing than deegree. I can't say much more about the first two, as I've never used either. But there has been a presentation comparing GeoServer and MapServer at the last FOSS4G. You will probably find the slides online. Suggestion - what about getting this page updated with comments from this thread: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Choosing_a_Web_Mapping_Platform Don't hesitate to modify the Wiki page! Cheers, Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit,now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
Bob Basques wrote: Markus, What's all that stuff in there about managed and un-managed supposed to describe? Seems to be somewhat out of date. I think I would start over with the whole bottom section. Another thing with this page is, I wouldn't feel comfortable goin g in there and changing anything without knowing the details about each package listed. I think a different approach is needed that reflects each package more directly. I'm involved in the GeoMoose project for Example, which is a WebFront for MapServer ( and will be using OpenLayers LIBs in the near future as well). I would prefer to describe each package separately along with how they interact. Possibly as a spreadsheet to begin with. Is this approariate for this page, or in some other ?? Bob, I will say, that I think preparing a which project to use document is fraught with peril. It is hard for anyone to have a really good picture of the strengths and weaknesses of all the packages. Even if the result is fair it is inevitably going to ruffle feathers in some projects who may feel it is unfair. I applaud efforts to prepare a document - I'm just too chicken (and unknowledgable) to do it myself! Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit, now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
Bob, all, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Bob Basques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus, What's all that stuff in there about managed and un-managed supposed to describe? Seems to be somewhat out of date. I think I would start over with the whole bottom section. sounds good! :) In general, it's neither my field nor my document - so I would leave it to others. I consider myself as future consumer of such a guide. In general, as Frank says, it is hard to write comparative studies. As user, I would hope to receive some guidance to navigate in our software offers - see our logo motto! That's all. Best Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit, now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
grin I'm about to submit my abstract to the AAG conference on comparing available distributed geospatial technologies for the USGS National Map. Of course, I haven't really even started the footwork... I'd be very interested to see other people's benchmarks. -Eric On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Markus Neteler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, all, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Bob Basques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus, What's all that stuff in there about managed and un-managed supposed to describe? Seems to be somewhat out of date. I think I would start over with the whole bottom section. sounds good! :) In general, it's neither my field nor my document - so I would leave it to others. I consider myself as future consumer of such a guide. In general, as Frank says, it is hard to write comparative studies. As user, I would hope to receive some guidance to navigate in our software offers - see our logo motto! That's all. Best Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- -=--=---===---=--=-=--=---==---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit, now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
I'll have to run that by the boss. Since you are tied to CISG, it'll be easier. I am supposed to be presenting in Ming Tsou's session Internet GIS, Virtual Globes, and related Cartographic Research. -Eric On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Alex Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Eric Wolf wrote: grin I'm about to submit my abstract to the AAG conference on comparing available distributed geospatial technologies for the USGS National Map. Of course, I haven't really even started the footwork... I'd be very interested to see other people's benchmarks. -Eric Eric, Would you be interested in joining our session on FOSS GIS? We're still looking for some more talks, and now have the backing of the AAG Cyberinfrastructure group which should ensure a good crowd of techies. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/AAG_2009 Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- -=--=---===---=--=-=--=---==---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit, now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
Hmm, I went to that session last year and ran into Ming Tsou several times throughout the conference, maybe I can work out some sort of collaboration with him, so that if you don't switch sessions we can at least announce each others sessions and do PR together. Thanks, Alex Eric Wolf wrote: I'll have to run that by the boss. Since you are tied to CISG, it'll be easier. I am supposed to be presenting in Ming Tsou's session Internet GIS, Virtual Globes, and related Cartographic Research. -Eric On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Alex Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Eric Wolf wrote: grin I'm about to submit my abstract to the AAG conference on comparing available distributed geospatial technologies for the USGS National Map. Of course, I haven't really even started the footwork... I'd be very interested to see other people's benchmarks. -Eric Eric, Would you be interested in joining our session on FOSS GIS? We're still looking for some more talks, and now have the backing of the AAG Cyberinfrastructure group which should ensure a good crowd of techies. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/AAG_2009 Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit, now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
Hi Joe, I've been researching OS for about one year now and have seen the light. Also with an anticipated move outside of the United States soon (Brazil, Italy, Greece or Australia), I think having the skills to I think I'll leave my rant at that for now - I am also interested in various other things like contributing to the OSGeo community..perhaps with documentation creation/editing, etc. as it's quite obvious I'm not very well versed in computer science/programming..or getting involved with GIS in the countries I mentioned previously as I'm considering a move or discussing the various Masters programs in GIS out there - but those are for another time ;) CHEERS_ joe If you choose Brazil I would encourage you to take a look on the Master program at www.inpe.br. They develop and support OS-GIS and I know a lot people that graduated there and found good position with the major players on the academic and industrial field all over the Word. If that is what you are looking for. And it is free... (gratis) Ivan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] kicked the ESRI habit, now weening from Bentley MicroStation..looking toward FOSS4G
Joe, From the municipal mapping side of things I would suggest you take a look at GeoMoose as a Web Front end. It hooks to MapServer currently, and future versions will be using the OpenLayers LIB for the Mapping aspects. It was designed from the ground up to facilitate publishing for the municipal data custodian perspective. It also works well with all MapServer data connections such as PostGIS. bobb pyroGIS wrote: Fellow listers, Greetings all..let me start with a quick executive summary-type thingy..I'm a relatively young GIS professional, my roots are in Forestry, my major offered a GIS minor - I took it and I've turned that into my focus (if i get another bachelors, heaven knows it will be in computer science!). After working in natural resources, wildfire mapping, etc. which were mainly GIS's deployed within an ESRI framework - currently I'm with a small city (approx. 40,000 people) as a GIS Tech where we're using Bentley MicroStation Geographics. Along this route I've gotten involved with ArcIMS, KML/Google Earth+Maps APIs and experimented with various open source Desktop GIS programs like MapWindowGIS, QGIS and uDig to name a few..this has allowed me to get my feet wet with a little JavaScript, XML, and general (X)HTML along the way too. (Oh, and I gotta mention how much I love the FWTools package too!) I've been researching OS for about one year now and have seen the light. Also with an anticipated move outside of the United States soon (Brazil, Italy, Greece or Australia), I think having the skills to deploy/develop OS GISs will be helpful in finding work. In the meantime, while I work here at the city I'm going to try to promote moving to an OS suite for our GIS. Like I mentioned we're using Bentley MicroStation Geographics with a SQL database. I'm coming from an ESRI background before this and still getting used to it - but I'd like to get my IT manager to see the benefit of deploying OS here. What I was naturally looking towards was using a QGIS frontend with the GRASS plugin and PostgreSQL with the PostGIS plugin..this seems to be somewhat of a standard for the Desktop GIS + Database duo from my research on OS GIS..right? Where I'm wondering about going next is down the whole Web Mapping road. What are your opinions on GeoServer vs. MapServer vs. OpenLayers? Those seem to get the most love from the OS community ... should I skip worldKit? what about deegree? I think I'll leave my rant at that for now - I am also interested in various other things like contributing to the OSGeo community..perhaps with documentation creation/editing, etc. as it's quite obvious I'm not very well versed in computer science/programming..or getting involved with GIS in the countries I mentioned previously as I'm considering a move or discussing the various Masters programs in GIS out there - but those are for another time ;) CHEERS_ joe ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
