Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Hi Jeff and others, does it make any sense to have a space for pre-incubation projects (or OSGeo friendly projects) that OSGeo promote even if not still officially part of the family but recognized as interesting? For example I have a project on an OGC service (istSOS) that has a very limited community but is willing to become a day OSGeo project... other projects may have the same feeling, maybe a pre-incubation box could worth? Maxi On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: On 2013-05-21 11:55 AM, Tim Bowden wrote: Interesting discussion. This reminds me of when GPSbabel came knocking on OSGeo's door looking for a home and we didn't know how to respond; imho OSGeo dropped the ball on that one (maybe because it came a bit early in the story for us). For me that was one of those future signposts in time events. I think OSGeo does need to find a way to be more inclusive of 'outside' projects that reflects OSGeo's leadership in the FOSS spatial realm. I don't think that should be at the expense of the 'foundation' role for OSGeo projects, but there is a very real challenge there if OSGeo wants to rise to the challenge of being the dominant player in FOSS spatial. I fear the alternative is to one day wake up and discover OSGeo is 'just another foundation', not because anyone else has taken up the wider FOSS spatial advocacy role, but because we've shied away from it. Hi Tim, The role of advocacy and leadership in FOSS spatial is exactly what I believe OSGeo provides. I believe our many advocates around the world provide this on a daily basis to their local communities. You are correct that we (OSGeo) will have upcoming challenges to be more inclusive of projects/communities (as Adrian, or someone, recently pointed out to me, in 2006 the OSGeo infrastructure made sense and was very attractive to new projects, but is it so attractive now in 2013? Tough question to answer, but one we must face and deal with together). -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- *Massimiliano Cannata* Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica Responsabile settore Geomatica Istituto scienze della Terra Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14 Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch *www.supsi.ch/ist* ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Wasn't OSGeolabs supposed to fill the need for space for pre-incubation and other type of emerging projects? http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs It appears to be a forgotten OSGeo initiative which surfaced recently due to confusion with ICA-OSGeo research and education laboratories, which is a different kind of effort http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Edu_current_initiatives Helena Helena Mitasova Associate Professor Department of Marine, Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences 2800 Faucette Drive, Rm. 1125 Jordan Hall North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 hmit...@ncsu.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.” On May 23, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote: Hi Jeff and others, does it make any sense to have a space for pre-incubation projects (or OSGeo friendly projects) that OSGeo promote even if not still officially part of the family but recognized as interesting? For example I have a project on an OGC service (istSOS) that has a very limited community but is willing to become a day OSGeo project... other projects may have the same feeling, maybe a pre-incubation box could worth? Maxi On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: On 2013-05-21 11:55 AM, Tim Bowden wrote: Interesting discussion. This reminds me of when GPSbabel came knocking on OSGeo's door looking for a home and we didn't know how to respond; imho OSGeo dropped the ball on that one (maybe because it came a bit early in the story for us). For me that was one of those future signposts in time events. I think OSGeo does need to find a way to be more inclusive of 'outside' projects that reflects OSGeo's leadership in the FOSS spatial realm. I don't think that should be at the expense of the 'foundation' role for OSGeo projects, but there is a very real challenge there if OSGeo wants to rise to the challenge of being the dominant player in FOSS spatial. I fear the alternative is to one day wake up and discover OSGeo is 'just another foundation', not because anyone else has taken up the wider FOSS spatial advocacy role, but because we've shied away from it. Hi Tim, The role of advocacy and leadership in FOSS spatial is exactly what I believe OSGeo provides. I believe our many advocates around the world provide this on a daily basis to their local communities. You are correct that we (OSGeo) will have upcoming challenges to be more inclusive of projects/communities (as Adrian, or someone, recently pointed out to me, in 2006 the OSGeo infrastructure made sense and was very attractive to new projects, but is it so attractive now in 2013? Tough question to answer, but one we must face and deal with together). -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Massimiliano Cannata Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica Responsabile settore Geomatica Istituto scienze della Terra Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14 Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch www.supsi.ch/ist ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Hi Adrian, comments below: On 2013-05-19 11:50 PM, Adrian Custer wrote: Yes, OSGeo has been primarily focused on its own projects and historically has been weak at recognizing and promoting other efforts. Now that spatial has become ubiquitous it is more obvious that there is great work going on in lots of different places. The R statistical library, for example, has done a huge amount of work on spatial analysis over the past decade but does not get mentioned much. More recently, the Eclipse foundation has started a major push as well and there are many new projects online. OSGeo is one player among many others and is slowly being forced to recognize that. OSGeo might eventually change from seeing its role as promoting itself and its projects to taking on an expanded role of promoting all the geospatial software that provides its users with various freedoms. Unfortunately, the organization has been structured around insiders and outsiders in its membership and its projects so that split has become a deep part of its psyche---it will be hard for OSGeo to complete such a change though many are willing. I must say, having spoken to you face-to-face about this at FOSS4G-BA helps me understand your points. You make very good points. However it is clear that OSGeo has become *the* voice for Open Source geospatial; look at how OSGeo was/is involved in the recent OGC standards discussion (even you came into the discussions with OSGeo, when you could have done this through any other group), and also take a look at the proposals for the 2014 FOSS4G event, OSGeo's flagship event (there are proposal teams from the groups you mentioned above). What does this tell us? It tells us that yes there are many groups out there in the geospatial world, but, through the hard work of the OSGeo community since 2006, OSGeo has become the leader in Open Source geospatial today, and the other groups realize this. I personally will take what you mentioned in this email (which you told me to my face at FOSS4G-BA) and adapt my message to promote other groups as well, but, it is clear to me that we/OSGeo does have a strong voice in the geospatial world. -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Hi Andrew, I agree, it's great to see all of the variety of communities, it's great for everyone. At the same time there's nothing wrong with promoting our own community (exactly like what you do yourself so well). -jeff On 2013-05-21 11:40 AM, Andrew Ross wrote: Jeff, For what it's worth, people participate in a wide variety of communities and have for sometime. The world is diverse with plenty of room for all. We're seeing some good cross community support and initiatives, which is great. It might make sense to encourage it and celebrate it to nurture more. To overreach and lay claim to it demonstrates Adrian's point with little truly gained. A rising tide raises all boats. Andrew Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: Hi Adrian, comments below: On 2013-05-19 11:50 PM, Adrian Custer wrote: Yes, OSGeo has been primarily focused on its own projects and historically has been weak at recognizing and promoting other efforts. Now that spatial has become ubiquitous it is more obvious that there is great work going on in lots of different places. The R statistical library, for example, has done a huge amount of work on spatial analysis over the past decade but does not get mentioned much. More recently, the Eclipse foundation has started a major push as well and there are many new projects online. OSGeo is one player among many others and is slowly being forced to recognize that. OSGeo might eventually change from seeing its role as promoting itself and its projects to taking on an expanded role of promoting all the geospatial software that provides its users with various freedoms. Unfortunately, the organization has been structured around insiders and outsiders in its membership and its projects so that split has become a deep part of its psyche---it will be hard for OSGeo to complete such a change though many are willing. I must say, having spoken to you face-to-face about this at FOSS4G-BA helps me understand your points. You make very good points. However it is clear that OSGeo has become *the* voice for Open Source geospatial; look at how OSGeo was/is involved in the recent OGC standards discussion (even you came into the discussions with OSGeo, when you could have done this through any other group), and also take a look at the proposals for the 2014 FOSS4G event, OSGeo's flagship even t (there are proposal teams from the groups you mentioned above). What does this tell us? It tells us that yes there are many groups out there in the geospatial world, but, through the hard work of the OSGeo community since 2006, OSGeo has become the leader in Open Source geospatial today, and the other groups realize this. I personally will take what you mentioned in this email (which you told me to my face at FOSS4G-BA) and adapt my message to promote other groups as well, but, it is clear to me that we/OSGeo does have a strong voice in the geospatial world. -jeff Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Andrew -- Jeff McKenna MapServer Consulting and Training Services http://www.gatewaygeomatics.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Jeff, For what it's worth, people participate in a wide variety of communities and have for sometime. The world is diverse with plenty of room for all. We're seeing some good cross community support and initiatives, which is great. It might make sense to encourage it and celebrate it to nurture more. To overreach and lay claim to it demonstrates Adrian's point with little truly gained. A rising tide raises all boats. Andrew Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: Hi Adrian, comments below: On 2013-05-19 11:50 PM, Adrian Custer wrote: Yes, OSGeo has been primarily focused on its own projects and historically has been weak at recognizing and promoting other efforts. Now that spatial has become ubiquitous it is more obvious that there is great work going on in lots of different places. The R statistical library, for example, has done a huge amount of work on spatial analysis over the past decade but does not get mentioned much. More recently, the Eclipse foundation has started a major push as well and there are many new projects online. OSGeo is one player among many others and is slowly being forced to recognize that. OSGeo might eventually change from seeing its role as promoting itself and its projects to taking on an expanded role of promoting all the geospatial software that provides its users with various freedoms. Unfortunately, the organization has been structured around insiders and outsiders in its membership and its projects so that split has become a deep part of its psyche---it will be hard for OSGeo to complete such a change though many are willing. I must say, having spoken to you face-to-face about this at FOSS4G-BA helps me understand your points. You make very good points. However it is clear that OSGeo has become *the* voice for Open Source geospatial; look at how OSGeo was/is involved in the recent OGC standards discussion (even you came into the discussions with OSGeo, when you could have done this through any other group), and also take a look at the proposals for the 2014 FOSS4G event, OSGeo's flagship event (there are proposal teams from the groups you mentioned above). What does this tell us? It tells us that yes there are many groups out there in the geospatial world, but, through the hard work of the OSGeo community since 2006, OSGeo has become the leader in Open Source geospatial today, and the other groups realize this. I personally will take what you mentioned in this email (which you told me to my face at FOSS4G-BA) and adapt my message to promote other groups as well, but, it is clear to me that we/OSGeo does have a strong voice in the geospatial world. -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Andrew___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
On 2013-05-21 11:55 AM, Tim Bowden wrote: Interesting discussion. This reminds me of when GPSbabel came knocking on OSGeo's door looking for a home and we didn't know how to respond; imho OSGeo dropped the ball on that one (maybe because it came a bit early in the story for us). For me that was one of those future signposts in time events. I think OSGeo does need to find a way to be more inclusive of 'outside' projects that reflects OSGeo's leadership in the FOSS spatial realm. I don't think that should be at the expense of the 'foundation' role for OSGeo projects, but there is a very real challenge there if OSGeo wants to rise to the challenge of being the dominant player in FOSS spatial. I fear the alternative is to one day wake up and discover OSGeo is 'just another foundation', not because anyone else has taken up the wider FOSS spatial advocacy role, but because we've shied away from it. Hi Tim, The role of advocacy and leadership in FOSS spatial is exactly what I believe OSGeo provides. I believe our many advocates around the world provide this on a daily basis to their local communities. You are correct that we (OSGeo) will have upcoming challenges to be more inclusive of projects/communities (as Adrian, or someone, recently pointed out to me, in 2006 the OSGeo infrastructure made sense and was very attractive to new projects, but is it so attractive now in 2013? Tough question to answer, but one we must face and deal with together). -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote: A rising tide raises all boats. Apart from the boats that are tied up too tightly, in which case they get flooded over and sink. Application and relevance of this analogy to the discussion is left to the reader. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Gabriel, There is a larger list of established geospatial open source projects at: http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html This list includes some, but not all of the projects you mentioned. Criteria for being included in OSGeo-Live is that the project is established and stable, and that there is someone prepared to keep the OSGeo-Live version of the project up to date. (This is often a good indicator of the health of the project's community) On 20/05/2013 7:27 AM, Gabriel Morin wrote: Hello sir I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned for documentation and help. But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis. Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo. Why is that ? thank you. gabriel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
Hello sir I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned for documentation and help. But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis. Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo. Why is that ? thank you. gabriel___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Gabriel Morin moringabr...@yahoo.frwrote: Hello sir I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned for documentation and help. But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis. Gabriel, The Projects and Incubating Projects list on the OSGeo web site is intended to list direct projects of OSGeo, not all open source or even open source geospatial projects. I'm not familiar with MDWeb, but OpenJump can be found at: http://www.openjump.org/ Drupal is not geospatial, and I assume you can find the project page if you need to. gvSIG is listed on the OSGeo page, but in the Incubating Projects list. GeoToolkit is a fork of the OSGeo GeoTools project. I think it is now an Apache project. WorldWind is I believe directly administered by NASA (not too sure), and I'm not certain about Osmosis which I assume is OSM related. There are many projects which I consider friends of OSGeo in the sense that they are often used in conjunction with OSGeo projects or by folks who are involved in OSGeo but that are not actually projects of OSGeo. I often recommend these, and they are discussed at conferences like FOSS4G. Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo. Why is that ? I hope my response helps clarify why that is. Best regards, Frank thank you. gabriel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
I found the incubation list you mentioned, thanks : gvSIG ,Marble ,MetaCRS ,Opticks ,pycsw ,rasdaman ,TEAM Engine ,ZOO-Project Sorry I was mistaken thinking osgeo was promoting all the geospatial open source projets. I hear so much about it I was thinking it was the case, but it's a groupement like apache and eclipse. from what you say I should go see the apache project then, mdweb is build on geotoolkit and you say it's part of Apache. We used plenty of apache projects in formation, so it should be fine :) I have download geotools an geotoolkit but they don't look the same, is it really a fork ? thanks for the help. gabriel De : Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com À : Gabriel Morin moringabr...@yahoo.fr Cc : discuss@lists.osgeo.org discuss@lists.osgeo.org Envoyé le : Lundi 20 mai 2013 0h07 Objet : Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Gabriel Morin moringabr...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hello sir I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned for documentation and help. But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis. Gabriel, The Projects and Incubating Projects list on the OSGeo web site is intended to list direct projects of OSGeo, not all open source or even open source geospatial projects. I'm not familiar with MDWeb, but OpenJump can be found at: http://www.openjump.org/ Drupal is not geospatial, and I assume you can find the project page if you need to. gvSIG is listed on the OSGeo page, but in the Incubating Projects list. GeoToolkit is a fork of the OSGeo GeoTools project. I think it is now an Apache project. WorldWind is I believe directly administered by NASA (not too sure), and I'm not certain about Osmosis which I assume is OSM related. There are many projects which I consider friends of OSGeo in the sense that they are often used in conjunction with OSGeo projects or by folks who are involved in OSGeo but that are not actually projects of OSGeo. I often recommend these, and they are discussed at conferences like FOSS4G. Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo. Why is that ? I hope my response helps clarify why that is. Best regards, Frank thank you. gabriel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
