RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] projection projects

2008-01-24 Thread Kralidis,Tom [Burlington]
 

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 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] projection projects
 
 I'd like to follow up on a conversation that took place at 
 FOSS4G in Victoria regarding a gathering of the open source 
 projection clan under the OSGeo umbrella.  Frank can probably 
 expand on the idea more, but the idea being that it would be 
 an opportunity to build up a community around the various 
 coordinate system projects, each of which likely wouldn't be 
 able to sustain that on their own.
 
 My immediate motivation for bringing this up now is that I 
 need to set up a project infrastructure for proj4js [1]  
 (svn, trac, email, PSC, etc.).  This might be a good fit as 
 an OSGeo 'Lab' project as discussed a few months ago, either 
 as a project on it's own or within a group of projection projects.
 
 Comments?


Glad to see this come about.  I'd be interested in seeing where the
GDAL's ogr/wcts work can fit in here.

..Tom

 
 Mike Adair
 
 [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAP/Proj4js
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] projection projects

2008-01-21 Thread Landon Blake
Thanks for the e-mail Luis.

You wrote:  in gvSIG we're using a quite diferent approach to
projections
support. We're using a JNI wrapper over proj4, due to the accuracy of
this library in the case of spanish datum changes (ED50-ETRS89).

This sounds like a good approach for your project, but I wonder how good
of a fit it will be with other Java projects. I think at the end of the
day most Java projects will want a %100 Java library.

You wrote: This is a sepparate project included on gvSIG, called
libJCRS, that
includes support for different SRS repositorys (EPSG, ESRI, IAU2000) as
well as end user datums and projections.

This sounds like something we could use. I wonder how different it is
from the GeoTools code that accesses the ESPG database. I'm not really
an active GeoTools developer, so it will be hard for me to answer this
question. It would be great if we could integrate GeoTools work with
this libJCRS library.

Can you send me a link to Javadoc or other infor on libJCRS. Maybe I
will bounce an e-mail over to the GeoTools folks.

Landon 


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Hi Landon,
in gvSIG we're using a quite diferent approach to projections
support. We're using a JNI wrapper over proj4, due to the accuracy of
this library in the case of spanish datum changes (ED50-ETRS89).
Normative operations use a NadGrids grid, and geotools does not (or at
last did not) support it.
Another reason was to unify projection support both with geoDatabase
(Postgis), and also with main WMS server (mapserver) on our SDI
configurations.
This is a sepparate project included on gvSIG, called libJCRS, that
includes support for different SRS repositorys (EPSG, ESRI, IAU2000) as
well as end user datums and projections.
We think this may be also a reusable library other java project may
also use.
Greetings
   Luis
Landon Blake wrote:

I've spoken with a couple of the GeoTools folks about helping to
maintain their projection code, which uses the ESPG database. This is
of
interest to me because it is a comprehensive (and working) projection
library written in Java that we can incorporate into OpenJUMP.

I don't know if there are any GeoTools/UDig developers that would like
to participate in this OSGeo labs project that is under discussion, but
I am interested. Perhaps I could help coordinate developments with
GeoTools as part of what I hope will be my eventual support of
projection code in GeoTools? I could definitely represent, at least
unofficially, the OpenJUMP community.

I'll subscribe to the mailing list that Frank set up.

Landon

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] projection projects

Mike Adair wrote:
  

I'd like to follow up on a conversation that took place at FOSS4G in 
Victoria regarding a gathering of the open source projection clan


under 
  

the OSGeo umbrella.  Frank can probably expand on the idea more, but


the 
  

idea being that it would be an opportunity to build up a community 
around the various coordinate system projects, each of which likely 
wouldn't be able to sustain that on their own.

My immediate motivation for bringing this up now is that I need to set



  

up a project infrastructure for proj4js [1]  (svn, trac, email, PSC, 
etc.).  This might be a good fit as an OSGeo 'Lab' project as


discussed 
  

a few months ago, either as a project on it's own or within a group of



  

projection projects.



Mike,

Good timing!  I am still interested in this concept though I haven't
followed
up on it yet.  My hope was that we could treat a variety of coordinate
system
activities as one Project from an OSGeo point of view.  This helps get
us
past the issue that some (all?) of them are rather small in terms of
teams
to justify the full OSGeo project treatment.

But more importantly it would give us a forum to cooperate.  Sharing
things like coordinate system dictionaries, test suites and such.

My hopes for participants include:

   proj4js
   proj.4 (the version of PROJ.4 that I maintain)
   libproj4 (the projection-only library maintained by Gerald Evenden)
   OSGSpatialReference (GDAL coordinate system translation classes)
   CS-Map (the recently open sourced library from Norm Olsen)

I'm also hopeful that folks from GeoTools, and OSSIM who maintain their
own projections code would participate to take advantage of the
dictionaries and test suites even though their libraries wouldn't
be part of the project.

This is a somewhat unorthodox arrangement so I've hesitated a bit to
initiate things.  Also, it obviously needs agreement from several
parties. :-)

In the interest of moving

[OSGeo-Discuss] projection projects

2008-01-18 Thread Mike Adair
I'd like to follow up on a conversation that took place at FOSS4G in 
Victoria regarding a gathering of the open source projection clan under 
the OSGeo umbrella.  Frank can probably expand on the idea more, but the 
idea being that it would be an opportunity to build up a community 
around the various coordinate system projects, each of which likely 
wouldn't be able to sustain that on their own.


My immediate motivation for bringing this up now is that I need to set 
up a project infrastructure for proj4js [1]  (svn, trac, email, PSC, 
etc.).  This might be a good fit as an OSGeo 'Lab' project as discussed 
a few months ago, either as a project on it's own or within a group of 
projection projects.


Comments?

Mike Adair

[1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAP/Proj4js

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] projection projects

2008-01-18 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Mike Adair wrote:
I'd like to follow up on a conversation that took place at FOSS4G in 
Victoria regarding a gathering of the open source projection clan under 
the OSGeo umbrella.  Frank can probably expand on the idea more, but the 
idea being that it would be an opportunity to build up a community 
around the various coordinate system projects, each of which likely 
wouldn't be able to sustain that on their own.


My immediate motivation for bringing this up now is that I need to set 
up a project infrastructure for proj4js [1]  (svn, trac, email, PSC, 
etc.).  This might be a good fit as an OSGeo 'Lab' project as discussed 
a few months ago, either as a project on it's own or within a group of 
projection projects.


Mike,

Good timing!  I am still interested in this concept though I haven't followed
up on it yet.  My hope was that we could treat a variety of coordinate system
activities as one Project from an OSGeo point of view.  This helps get us
past the issue that some (all?) of them are rather small in terms of teams
to justify the full OSGeo project treatment.

But more importantly it would give us a forum to cooperate.  Sharing
things like coordinate system dictionaries, test suites and such.

My hopes for participants include:

  proj4js
  proj.4 (the version of PROJ.4 that I maintain)
  libproj4 (the projection-only library maintained by Gerald Evenden)
  OSGSpatialReference (GDAL coordinate system translation classes)
  CS-Map (the recently open sourced library from Norm Olsen)

I'm also hopeful that folks from GeoTools, and OSSIM who maintain their
own projections code would participate to take advantage of the
dictionaries and test suites even though their libraries wouldn't
be part of the project.

This is a somewhat unorthodox arrangement so I've hesitated a bit to
initiate things.  Also, it obviously needs agreement from several
parties. :-)

In the interest of moving on a bit, I've created a wiki page:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/MetaCRS

I've also created a mailing list.  Please join if you have an
interest.

  http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/MetaCRS

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] projection projects

2008-01-18 Thread Arnulf Christl

Mike Adair wrote:
I'd like to follow up on a conversation that took place at FOSS4G in 
Victoria regarding a gathering of the open source projection clan under 
the OSGeo umbrella.  Frank can probably expand on the idea more, but the 
idea being that it would be an opportunity to build up a community 
around the various coordinate system projects, each of which likely 
wouldn't be able to sustain that on their own.


My immediate motivation for bringing this up now is that I need to set 
up a project infrastructure for proj4js [1]  (svn, trac, email, PSC, 
etc.).  This might be a good fit as an OSGeo 'Lab' project as discussed 
a few months ago, either as a project on it's own or within a group of 
projection projects.


Comments?

Mike Adair


I support this idea, good thing. It will be a place to help solve the biggest problem in the spatial web world that results from the tiniest imaginable dissent. Axis order confusion. 

Regards, 
Arnulf. 
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