[slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread dweezil

Hi

I have the media server running on my mac, life is good.

What I want to do it is be able to stream my music, from my mac, over
the internet, to my mac book when I'm on holiday.

Can it be done?   And if so how?

THANKS!



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread Mr. Floppy

Hi,

its pretty easy. Open SSH in your firewall and make it accessable from
the internet (Like PAT). Download softsqueeze (java app). You can
configure to tunnel it via ssh to your LMS. 

With this solution I hear all my music at work.:-)



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread lrossouw

Yes it can. 

A good start is to go here:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Enjoying_your_music_from_another_place



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread dweezil

Mr. Floppy wrote: 
 Hi,
 
 its pretty easy. Open SSH in your firewall and make it accessable from
 the internet (Like PAT). Download softsqueeze (java app). You can
 configure to tunnel it via ssh to your LMS. 
 
 With this solution I hear all my music at work.:-)

So add the SSH port forwarding service on my Virgin Media superhub.  
Then add a dyndns type client and point softsqueeze at what address
exactly?



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Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug

2012-08-10 Thread TheLastMan

dasmueller wrote: 
 I for one am a dinosaur and will not willingly go the rental route.  I
 enjoy the flexibility of being able to do what I wish w the CD/hard
 copies or downloaded files that I have.  I am not willing to rely on
 someone else to provide that flexibility for me. There is too much flux
 in technology to make me comfortable that the landlord will be there
 tomorrow.

+1

I love the streaming model and use it extensively for checking out new
music.  However Spotify have yet to turn a profit and it is doubtful
that unlimited streaming for as little as $10 a month is sustainable in
the long term.  I think quite soon we may see sharp rises in the cost of
on-line music access combined with more rigorous enforcement against
pirates.  In the UK P2P is already severely constricted by most IPs
making getting music through illegal torrents impractical.

I have also analysed the quality of the streams from Spotify as they
sometimes sound rather strange through my hi-fi, particularly when
compared with a CD rip of the same recording.  It is quite clear that
many streams are not 320kbs and pretty well all have dynamics squashed
through heavy compression.  Spotify sound is closer to low quality FM
Radio than CD.



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[slim] Solving a playlist issue and Raspberry pi

2012-08-10 Thread nickgosling

Right,
I have had squeezeboxes for years and have intergated them into my house
everywhere. From the bathroom to the kitchen. The one thing that i would
love to solve is the playlist issue. I currently have a MAC running
itunes with a library on a Readynas DUO NAS drive. LMS server is running
on that. I create playlists in itunes and i can see them on the
squeezeboxes. So you are probably thinking 'well what is the problem'.
Well. I am a bit of a perfectionalist and would like to know if therre
is anyway of creating a playlist on the squeezeboxes and syncing it back
to itunes. So thats my first question. However, i am now considering
changing my whole setup, because the ReadyNAS takes a while to populate
playlists.
So here is where i need some advice. I have ordered a Raspberry PI and
am going to experiment with squeezeplug. I am also considering getting
another one to use as a media centre using XBMC. My ideal, perfect setup
would be to be able to create playlists from anywhere
(squeezebox,pc,xbmc,android) and for them to be available anywhere. I am
open to suggestions and am happy to ditch itunes if you can help me
solve this problem. Basically I hate the fact that i have to sit in
front of my MAC to create a playlist and given that I am considering
XBMC i cant imagine that will read itunes playlists anyway so am happy
to go back to the drawing board. I also definately want so have the
music stored on a remote server so that i dont have to turn on the pc
when i want to listen to music ( which is what i currently have ). 
Any ideas would be greatfully received.
Nick



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread dweezil

UPDATE:


I've added the SSH port forwarding service on my Virgin Media superhub
to point to my local LMS machine.
Then I've added a dyndns host to so that my WAN address is visible and
have a dyndns client running on the LMS machine.
I have enabled SSH by enabling Remote Login on the LMS (by the way it's
running Snow Leopard).

I've managed to via SSH login via a remote client using putty but the
SoftSqueeze refuses to connect.

Any ideas?



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Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug

2012-08-10 Thread jhonsber...@msn.com

I use to buy alot of Cd's when you could only hear small clips of the
music on the album.

Now I use MOG for discovering the albums I really like to purchase and
even with the 120 bucks/yearly
I pay for it,I am definitely saving money by not buying albums I
consider ok but not great.

Now if streaming went to 20/month,I might drop this cd selection method.



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread pippin

If you use SSH you'd have to set up a tunnel, don't know how to make
SqueezePlay use that.

I would use a VPN or plain port forwarding.

Regarding port forwarding, here's another guide, I've written it for
iPeng but it applies to SqueezePlay, too.

The one thing why in SqueezePlay's case it's especially important to use
a VPN is that SqueezePlay (like the SBs) can't use dyndns, it can only
use IP addresses (Settings-Advanced-Networking-Remote Libraries).
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2011/02/11/coolios-guide-to-remote-playback/



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread dweezil

OH!

So now I have to try and setup a VPN connection to my mac?!

Yikes, I'm going round in circles.   

What's the easiest way to get this to work at all?

Thanks a million!



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread aubuti

dweezil wrote: 
 So now I have to try and setup a VPN connection to my mac?!
Not necessarily. See the links in post #3 and post #6. Neither require a
VPN at all, although the non-VPN approach is less secure.



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread pippin

Well, you can also try to get the tunnel to work which would then expose
the stream/server under localhost on a different port but that would
require you to tunnel two ports (3483 and 9000) and 3483 needs to end up
on 3483 again.

The easiest way to set up a VPN usually is on the router itself.



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread bernt

http://www.neorouter.com/downloads.html



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Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug

2012-08-10 Thread andynormancx

I'm also a dinosaur who likes CDs.

Apple's iTunes Match makes for an interesting hybrid of the buy/rent
setup. You get high quality, but not lossless, music to buy (256k AAC)
and keep.

And you get _all_ your existing music available on any iOS device; music
that isn't in the iTunes catalogue gets transcoded to 256k AAC and
uploaded to your iTunes Match account.

I'll be sticking to my CDs for now though, apart from anything else they
are much cheaper if you buy second hand ;)



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread dweezil

bernt wrote: 
 http://www.neorouter.com/downloads.html

So run this on the LMS side and the client side to setup a VPN.  Then I
can use SoftSqueeze to connect via the VPN?



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Re: [slim] Can I stream my music over the internet?

2012-08-10 Thread dweezil

I think it's going to be a LOAD easier just to open 9000 and use the
less secure method.   I don't seem to be able to find a simple step by
step guide explaining exactly how to do it it for mac.

Ive looked at the links and I'm just more confused.

I hoped someone would have done this with a mac and knew the steps to do
it.

But thanks



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Re: [slim] Better Logitech products than the Squeezeboxes

2012-08-10 Thread maggior

vw195 wrote: 
 The biggest factor for Squeezeboxen for me is that they are dedicated
 devices with good sound quality.
 
 For me its a bit of a pain to turn on bt, pair, switch to music app etc.
 Its much more simpler just to hit play on the device or unplug my radio
 and drag it all over the house.  
 
 And I love my boom in the kitchen.
 
 I wont buy anymore without a sign that logitech is going to support the
 line though

I agree.  

Whether a squeezebox or a BT speaker system appeals to you depends on
what your PRIMARY music source is.  If you are a high school or college
kid, it's likely nowadays that your primary music source is some
protable device like an iPod, andriod phone, tablet, etc.  For those
people, the BT speaker system would best suit their needs.  For the rest
of us, the squeezebox is the best fit.

I've actually started using BT Audio (A2DP) in my car (2012 Volvo S60)
with my Samsung Galaxy Player 4.2.  I was VERY surprised by the audio
quality.  My ears can't tell the difference between this setup and my
old 80 GB iPod hard wired into the iPod interface.  Both devices have
mp3 made with LAME at default settings (~190kbps I think?).  So even
though there is reencoding of a lossy source going on, it still sounds
really good...in a car environment at least.  Now when I had the trial
Sirius/XM subscription, that was horrible!!!  To my ears, it wasn't too
much better than AM radio.  So the audio system in the car can be
revealing.

It may be that I'm just lucky that the Samsung/Volvo combo results in a
high bit rate transcode.



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Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !

2012-08-10 Thread big_marcelo

bluegaspode wrote: 
 Why do you need track bit information available all the time?
 
 My personal opinion regarding this issue is:
 a) either one is non-audiophile and just doesn't care (like me)
 b) or one does care - but then you should be able to hear the
 differences anyway and don't need it in the display, do you? :D 
 
 OK - this is is a little bit overdramatized, but I'm really interested
 to know, why someone would need this information all the time while he
 is listening to the music.
 (By the way: via the context menu these informations are available, if
 one needs them from time to time).

For me it's because sometimes I have several versions of the same album,
ie: original cd, LP rip, HDtracks, remaster, etc... Some of them have
different rates, and when I'm on a playlist I may not know exactly which
version it is. It's more for information really...  

If its easy, why not?


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Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !

2012-08-10 Thread big_marcelo

guidof wrote: 
 There is a simple way to have this info displayed next to the album's
 title: just enter it (e.g., in dbpoweramp) after the album's title tag
 when ripping a CD or downloading a music file. That's what I do. Works
 fine for me.
 
 Guido F.

Thanks Guido, I have done that for a few albums but not all of them
I have my DAC with the screen off, but I can turn it on to check, not a
biggie.


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Re: [slim] Better Logitech products than the Squeezeboxes

2012-08-10 Thread erland

maggior wrote: 
 
 Whether a squeezebox or a BT speaker system appeals to you depends on
 what your PRIMARY music source is. If you are a high school or college
 kid, it's likely nowadays that your primary music source is some
 protable device like an iPod, andriod phone, tablet, etc. For those
 people, the BT speaker system would best suit their needs. For the rest
 of us, the squeezebox is the best fit.
 
Completely agree and this is also the main reason why a BT (or AirPlay)
solution isn't going to work for me personally, I need a single source
- multiple players/controllers solution (like Squeezebox/Sonos) and not
a single source/controller - single player solution (like BT or
AirPlay).

maggior wrote: 
 
 I've actually started using BT Audio (A2DP) in my car (2012 Volvo S60)
 with my Samsung Galaxy Player 4.2.  I was VERY surprised by the audio
 quality.  My ears can't tell the difference between this setup and my
 old 80 GB iPod hard wired into the iPod interface.  Both devices have
 mp3 made with LAME at default settings (~190kbps I think?).  So even
 though there is reencoding of a lossy source going on, it still sounds
 really good...in a car environment at least.  Now when I had the trial
 Sirius/XM subscription, that was horrible!!!  To my ears, it wasn't too
 much better than AM radio.  So the audio system in the car can be
 revealing.
 
Have you tested or do you think you would be able to hear difference
between a lossless file and a 190kbps MP3 in the car environment ?

Just asking to get a feeling how good your car audio environment is,
because if you can't hear difference between a lossless file and a
190kbps MP3 a bluetooth solution might be good enough because there
might be other components limiting the system more than the bluetooth
does.

I'm personally fairly sure that both MP3 and bluetooth is good enough
for a lot of people, the question is just if it's good enough in a
listening room setup for people that really care about audio quality.
For bluetooth to replace Squeezebox in my home from an audio quality
perspective, its really important that it at least doesn't result in
that my FLAC files sounds like MP3's or even worse.



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Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !

2012-08-10 Thread bluegaspode

big_marcelo wrote: 
 
 If its easy, why not?

I'm reluctant, because those little things add up and do clutter the
interface.
If I'm not convinced that it serves the majority of users I often decide
to rather leave it out to keep SqueezePad simple and clean.



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Re: [slim] Better Logitech products than the Squeezeboxes

2012-08-10 Thread maggior

erland wrote: 
 
 Have you tested or do you think you would be able to hear difference
 between a lossless file and a 190kbps MP3 in the car environment ?
 
 Just asking to get a feeling how good your car audio environment is,
 because if you can't hear difference between a lossless file and a
 190kbps MP3 a bluetooth solution might be good enough because there
 might be other components limiting the system more than the bluetooth
 does.
 
 I'm personally fairly sure that both MP3 and bluetooth is good enough
 for a lot of people, the question is just if it's good enough in a
 listening room setup for people that really care about audio quality.
 For bluetooth to replace Squeezebox in my home from an audio quality
 perspective, its really important that it at least doesn't result in
 that my FLAC files sounds like MP3's or even worse.

No, I've never done a listening test in my car to see if I can tell the
difference between mp3 and lossless in my car.  Honestly, even in my
home listening environment, I have to listen very closely to notice any
difference so I'm sure I wouldn't hear it in the car.  In the car, it's
more important to me that I have variety, not the absolute best quality.
As long as I don't think wow, this sounds bad when I put the music on
in the car, I'm happy.  Sirius XM made me think that, so I never
listened to it.

What I was more concerned about in the car was the impact of compounded
compressed encodings of the audio stream.  In my car, I couldn't hear
anything.

I recall reading someplace that there is (or will be soon) a version of
bluetooth that supports lossless encoding of the stream.  In that case,
it would be theoretically possible to be lossless from the source right
to the DAC in the player.  That would be cool to have in the car, but
even in the home, I'd still perfer my squeezebox at this point.



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[slim] Wireless networking problem, can any explain this to me...

2012-08-10 Thread autopilot

When it comes to networking, I have that 'dangerous' amount of knowledge
- enough knowledge to set up something reasonably complicated, but not
enough always knowledge to fix it when it goes wrong :)

What I have done is used a netgear access point to extended my wireless
coverage but setting it up as a wireless bridge (with client
association). Basically what I have read tells me this is better than
repeater mode. Same SSID etc for seemless extension. Generally it works
well, however when my iPhone is connected through the bridge it can not
see my server (touch). Same problem with the logitech app. Can anyone
tell me why, and how to fix it? Thanks.



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Re: [slim] New kit next year?

2012-08-10 Thread Clnanderson

eganders wrote: 
 Might the boss be saying that some of the new products are coming this
 year, as Logitech's 1st Qtr ended June 30?
 
 http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120725-722539.html
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/logitech-posts-wider-q1-loss-weak-demand-bites-025543749--finance.html
 
 
 
 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-26/logitech-falls-as-loss-is-bigger-than-estimated-zurich-mover.html

Well they better move it. I'm looking at what may be a bricked boom and
am seriously thinking of researching the Sonos line which seems to have
gotten a bunch cheaper than I remember it being back when I bought into
Slimdevices.



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released

2012-08-10 Thread gharris999

Wirrunna wrote: 
 ...Gordon's screen shots (how did he get them ?)Press  hold on/off button + 
 down volume.  Screen shot goes into a PNG
file in an album folder on the 7 named Screenshot which you can view
via the Gallery app and xfer to your PC via a USB connection.  

That's what I did: dragged the screen shots over to the PC, converted
them to jpegs and massively reduced the jpeg image quality so the posts
weren't huge.  I.e., the original pngs (and the 7 screen) looked better
than my screenshots.  I was assuming that fairyliquidizer was primarily
interested in layout issues.  But I should have mentioned the image
degradation in my posts in case the jpeg image compression artifacts
weren't obvious.



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released

2012-08-10 Thread Wirrunna

db122 wrote: 
 
 The thing to look at is if the menu items come up on any of the Jive
 players like SqueezePlay (software) or the SB Touch. Menus that appear
 in the web interface are not necessarily visible or available in
 controller apps.

db122, thank you for that explanation, the menu items do not appear on
my Touch screen, so they obviously arn't jived yet.


gharris999 wrote: 
 Press  hold on/off button + down volume rocker switch.  The screen shot
 ends up in a PNG file in an album folder on the 7 named Screenshot
 which you can view via the Gallery app and xfer to your PC via a USB
 connection.  
 
 That's what I did: dragged the screen shots over to the PC, converted
 them to jpegs and massively reduced the jpeg image quality so the posts
 weren't huge.  I.e., the original pngs (and the 7 screen) looked better
 than my screenshots that I posted.  I was assuming that fairyliquidizer
 was primarily interested in layout issues.  But I should have mentioned
 the image degradation in my posts in case the jpeg image compression
 artifacts weren't obvious.

Gordon, thank you for those instructions, you obviously read the Nexus 7
Guidebook more carefully than I did. The images were excellent, I didn't
notice any  artifacts.



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