Re: [slim] Transporter dead: just clicking - how to open
Hi Paul Read this thread and there is a link to purchase the power supply. I bought three just because shipping is so expensive but rapid delivery. Should give you plenty of time to find the hex mini screw driver. I had to make at least two trips to get the right one. The power supply was easy to get out. https://www.rapidonline.com/electrical-power/power-pax-uk-mini-open-frame-smpsu-eup-5vdc-2-3a-85-2251 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100509-Need-help-for-broken-Transporter (4 screws on each side of the unit, with a 1/16th hex mini-screwdriver.) The PSU comes out with, what my kit shows to be a "*T7" mini-screwdriver. (1) Pi 3 w/ HifiBerry Digi + Pro & piCorePlayer 3.20 LMS 7.9.1, (1) Touch, (1) Transporter, Samba w/ 2 TB USB Drive for files Tex's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
The story goes much deeper than well ever know. I'm sure Michael Herger knows all the dirt but is unable say so publicly. ;) What little we do know . Soon after Logitech acquired SlimDevices there was a major reshuffling of managers and department personnel at Logitech. The few individuals at Logitech that had even the slightest clue and interest in SlmDevices and its ecosystem were shuffled around and I suspect eventually even out of Logitech. Some of the core SlimDevices personel and developers were also cycled out. A couple more corporate reshufflings and the entire SqueezeBox idea became the red headed step child at Logitech. First ignored, then diminished, finally axed all together. They struggled to market it properly as well. The same brand stores (like a Best Buy) in different regions had the SB players in different product/shelf categories. Some displayed them in the computer speakers area, others in the keyboard/mouse area, some others still in the TV/stereo area. Some had stock, some didnt, some with stock did not know what shelf to find them on, and if found coudlnt explain what it was capable of or how it worked. It was a mess. I suspect various regional Logitech reps with varying degree of knowledge and interest of the SB product had a lot to do with its confusing product placement issues. A niche product for (mostly) home stereo use being marketed by a behemouth keyboard/mouse conglomerate in a fast growing consumer environment that wanted on demand music services on their phones with earbuds and satisfied with compressed audio over BlueTooth (also absent on SB devices) . Was a recipe for disaster. For SlimDevices it was the perfect time to sell. Taking into account Logitechs business model it was the wrong time for Logitech to buy. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Mnyb wrote: > > Anyhow some stubborn fellow wants to sync 24/192 pcm over 5 players :D > and comes to our forum. Hah, works for me :) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
drmatt wrote: > Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs, > for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it > out. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Probably due to old tech . more than 16/44.1 does not really do anything for anyone . It increases bandwith usage . One of Sonos bragging points is there mesh network that practically configure itself . You can be a computer numpty and it sort of works anyway . LMS and wifi also works , if you have a decent network :) how many treads do we have with "my wifi is perfect" and I still have rebuffering songs quit etc . And squeezeboxes are kind of weak in the wifi department :/ not on par with what you can do today . Rpi3 is not that good for wifi either . Anyhow some stubborn fellow wants to sync 24/192 pcm over 5 players :D and comes to our forum. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Transporter dead: just clicking - how to open
my Transporter is dead. one can here a clicking from its inside every few seconds. does anyone know how to solve that? how can the case be opened properly? I don't see any screws. squeezepaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=27387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
One of the most attractive aspects of Squeezebox is the ability to use it (server and hardware) with high definition music, if one wants to. I have an optical connection to my stereo and have really loved the ability to listen to my surround sound music. There are things I wouldn't mind being better, but no one else is doing it at this point either. I am encouraged by the continued support and development of the LMS, and with the ability to use a PI device, I don't see a need for Logitech to resurrect the system. I could see frustration for people that may not have the inclination to build their own system with a PI, but I suspect there will be those who will potentially provide a service of building such devices that could take advantage of LMS or even other server software that is out there. I have to admit that I do slightly fear a discontinuation of LMS from the standpoint that I do not see any other similar media servers with the full suite of features LMS has. There are those that the individual features I find important (full featured library or high definition audio) but few provide all the features. I only wish I had the time to contribute more myself; my job swallows all my time but my devices and LMS allow me to move along happily. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
drmatt wrote: > Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs, > for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it > out. And that must have cost them about five sales or something? I honestly don't think the majority of potential Sonos buyers know, much less care. Wouldn't know if there's an uside somewhere, but since I doubt there's any downside from Sonos' perspective, even the slightest advantage would make it the right decision. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs, for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it out. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
d6jg wrote: > My point was that Sonos had started to become accepted in the consumer > electronics field just as Logitech pulled out. Yes. Only a different subset of the consumers than the Squeezeboxes caters to. The fact that there was enough buyers to support Sonos doesn't suggest that there would have been enough to keep the Squeezebox going IMHO. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
cliveb wrote: > Sonos was around long before Logitech bought Slim Devices. The two > product lines were always at opposite ends of the market. Drawing an > analogy with HiFi, Sonos appealed to the sort of person who would buy an > integrated B system, whereas the Squeezebox system appealed to the > sort of person who would mix & match components, and probably even mount > & align the pickup cartridge on their turntable. > > It seems to me that at the time, Logitech saw that there might be money > to be made in the streaming market, and Slim Devices was a company in > that field that could be bought for what was (to Logitech) loose change. > It was a gamble worth taking and wouldn't cost much if it failed to pay > off. > > What's also clear is that Logitech failed to do their homework and never > really understood the vision behind the Squeezebox ecosystem. Their daft > attempt to squeeze (excuse the pun) a stripped down server into the > Touch is evidence they really were barking up the wrong tree. What they > should have done is build and sell an LMS server as a hardware > appliance. They could probably have hired the guys at Vortexbox to do > that for them. Perhaps I should not have referred to Sonos as high end. My point was that Sonos had started to become accepted in the consumer electronics field just as Logitech pulled out. Sonos is just as flawed as SB arguably more so. For example when BBC pulled the plug Sonos needed firmware updates whereas we had Beeb back on line with hardly any delay. At the same time people were buying AVRs. Had Logitech licensed the workings to some AVR manufacturers they would have had a market for years. Imagine an AVR that detects network shares via SMB but that magically adds them to a running LMS on the AVR itself with built in player. A nice now playing on the TV with hifi sound. None of that Dlna nonsense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk *Pi3 with piCoreplayer music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets/Jogglers *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s *Office* - Pi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
d6jg wrote: > What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at > exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc > were being launched. Sonos was around long before Logitech bought Slim Devices. The two product lines were always at opposite ends of the market. Drawing an analogy with HiFi, Sonos appealed to the sort of person who would buy an integrated B system, whereas the Squeezebox system appealed to the sort of person who would mix & match components, and probably even mount & align the pickup cartridge on their turntable. It seems to me that at the time, Logitech saw that there might be money to be made in the streaming market, and Slim Devices was a company in that field that could be bought for what was (to Logitech) loose change. It was a gamble worth taking and wouldn't cost much if it failed to pay off. What's also clear is that Logitech failed to do their homework and never really understood the vision behind the Squeezebox ecosystem. Their daft attempt to squeeze (excuse the pun) a stripped down server into the Touch is evidence they really were barking up the wrong tree. What they should have done is build and sell an LMS server as a hardware appliance. They could probably have hired the guys at Vortexbox to do that for them. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Classic FM [UK] - connects at 128, drops to 48
bpa wrote: > Plugin has been updated to V.2.0.1. Only real change is to update URLs > to get logos and other icons back. Hi bpa, thanks so much for your efforts - really very very much appreciated! cheers Matt MattC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105385 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Roon bussines model is not viable for squeezebox either . Software = open source LMS = no revenue . Squeezebox = DIY our own rpi3 = no revenue . Enhanced interlinked metadata so that you can build a roon like UX = licensed and costly (se all the trouble our comunity had with the lyrics plugin and varius cover download utilities ) Wonder if not that was what the ickstream guys had in mind.. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
d6jg wrote: > What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at > exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc > were being launched. Is it? Sonos had already gained good traction by the time Logitech shut down production, but I don't see the relevance. In my mind Sonos and Squeezebox don't have an awful lot in common, and it was the market for Sonos-like product that took off while the market for Squeezeboxes withered. The Squeezebox was an idea whose idea had come, and gone. Logitech tried to salvage their investment in the Radio by "dumbing it down", maybe they could have been successful if they had gone even further on that path, but then it wouldn't really have been Squeezeboxes. A Transporter II marketed under a different brand, with the latest audiophile tickbox items and proper marketing hyperbole might have worked, but hardly interesting for a company like Logitech. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
mherger wrote: > > Even if this is a niche . For example ROON is trying to get piece of > the > > pie by selling software . With a kind of licensing model for,hardware > > they have no hardware of their own . > > I thought this would come up. But then that software is Roon's business. > > They're small and obviously happy to serve a niche. But that's not > Logitech's business model. > > -- > > Michael I know . Working in a multinational myself :) the top floor does not really know what to do with smaller products even if they work well in their niche's and even turn a small profit with reasonable margin . They just cant fit it into both bussines model and organisation . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
