Currently Apple has no public API and has not announced any.
There is no 3rd party hardware that supports Apple Music right now.
Even Sonos, who should have an ongoing relationship because they were
supporting beats (which was essentially the same thing as Apple Music)
only have a vague end of
Is this still an issue? I only tried it with ickStream but it does work
there for me
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Well, that's how it all started. I went out and offered an iPad to
anyone writing a working YouTube plugin. Worked at the time although
Triode never accepted the iPad when he quickly realized he doesn't want
to maintain the plugin.
Since for the same reason I don't see us doing a YouTube
daumar wrote:
I am in the software business (not a dev) and know how painful it is to
build on someones API who does not really care about all those who build
on top of that.
Not care is not the problem. Explicitly prohibit is.
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ShairTunes doesn't cope with anything. But p with it you can play
anything you can play on an iOS device (audio) through it and that's
what Sonos does right now: connect an AirPlay receiver to their analog
in.
It's a crutch, though, because you lose integrated control. You will
have separate
We are talking to WiMP/TIDAL support, we are getting some weird results
from their API, let's hope they'll find something
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Well, you can play anything through AirPlay, so using ShairTunes will do
the same for the Squeezebox
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Yea. After all, YouTube has the biggest music library of all...
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YouTube only has videos so you always have to stream the whole video and
somewhere separate the audio.
Playing URLs should still work with the plugin
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I think it depends on what you try to do. TrackStat requires a license
for some functionality while the basic rating works without it.
MySB has nothing to do with it, TrackStat is a 3rd party plugin
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Hm, weird. Tried to restart the server?
In the end Erland will have to answer this, this is a message generated
by the plugin, iPeng just shows the menu.
How does it work in Squeezeplay or on a Touch/Radio?
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This is indeed interesting. I can reproduce it. It works fine with Tidal
but not WiMP, which surprises me.
We'll have to look into this.
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I've heard this before but for the life of me can't reproduce it or find
any errors in the logs. I wonder whether it's about timeouts or country
restrictions or the like.
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I have seen a similar comment on the Logitech forum. In that case it
wasn't about a new account but only about a newly added service.
Could that be that issue again where LMS didn't retrieve the menu from
MySB?
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I've written up a few more details about the Apple Watch design for
iPeng:
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2015/06/22/ipeng-for-apple-watch-design-notes/
IPENG FOR APPLE WATCH DESIGN NOTES
A device like the Apple Watch brings new challenges for the app design,
especially considering the limitations
I haven't seen or heard about #1 so far. #2 is probably to keep response
times when looking up playlists at bay, we'll have to see what's doable
there.
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Have you tried playing, then adding so the url gets resolved?
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Does anyone else have lots of trouble getting Siri to open the iPeng
app? Siri keeps trying to open iPad or IP... please help. :D
After it's installed? You might want to not speak too fast for Siri, she
has a tendency to try to combine all the syllables to find a match in
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There's really nothing you need to or even can configure.
Just install it using the Watch companion App and also make sure to
enable the Glance (you'll know how to do that when you've set up your
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Yea, I'll have to see. The problem with the complications is that you
can't update them on demand so if it e.g. Shows the current track and
you skip it would get out of sync.
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epoch1970 wrote:
Well, 2.0 w/ native apps starts to get interesting. I've spotted
timetravel (for the playlist?)
It's harder than it sounds. The timeline is fixed and updating it
requires a push notification. This requires some experimenting
wifi+homekit+microphone (for location?)
I thought
Where's that like-button when you need it?
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After running an announcement thread during the wait for release, here's
now the official announcement for iPeng on the Apple Watch:
The release of the Apple Watch in April brought some new chances and
challenges for iPeng too: How could we realize a quickly manageable
version of iPeng for the
Good point. But I don't think changing the thread title will change it
in the forum view :(
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thouky wrote:
(although it would be nicer to use the crown for the latter)
Definitely. Apple has said September/October. Essentially, when iOS 9
comes out, I'd say. Developer Preview coming up tomorrow.
First their is a user interface issue in that the player selection
screen doesn't
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Hm, I'm not sure the watch is the right device for this. It's usually
stateless and not good for long lists. This isn't something particularly
urgent, isn't it? Wouldn't you rather look something like that up on the
phone?
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Well, iPad/iPhone is something indeed worth considering. Could you file
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It's actually now _in review_ for almost 24h. Think they started it and
then went in for the weekend so probably Monday
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Great, thanks. This will require quite a redesign of the playlist
display but if I ever do that for performance reasons (with long PLs the
current solution can be a performance hog) it's a cool idea!
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Still sounds like a roon issue.
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I think that's rather a roon quirk. AAC will very unlikely be anything
but 44.1
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I doubt that. Are you sure that someone didn't mix up sample rate and
frequency ceiling, which is half of the sample rate?
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While Apple are taking their time
The full player switching sequence...
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Oh, 30k$, I remembered it was bad but not that it was _that_ bad.
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Ok, didn't know that
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Well, Michael will know :) I don't think it's open source so far. AFAIK
you need a 10k$ dev toolkit to use it anyway.
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Squeezemenicely wrote:
Oh yes it does! I especially like the bar!. You should invite us over
for a drink.
:)
Need to make a photo. There's indeed an SB3 standing in between all the
bottles. And my old A2s around them.
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Oh, you have an ip3k development kit and affection for assembly
language? (The latter is a joke I hope)
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So, not a lot of news left but this one looks nice:
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(when the App is already
loaded).
The screenshots show that it is definitely doing it right and Pippin
actually has and und understands the watch. So, I am counting the
days...
Well, it's on Apple now...
To have the watch was important. I'd done a first design on the
simulator and I threw
bpa wrote:
I think AAC is the better choice but before doing more discussion on
this, I think getting an answer from Michael, Felix etc. is there any
chance of a change in IP3K. I doubt it as development tools, libraries
and test facilities are probably archived.
Agreed. I just wanted to
Well, isn't the question which codecs stations use _exclusively_? If you
use WMA exclusively, these days, it means you are not playable on
anything Apple which is a bit of a gap...
Since most stations stream in more than one format, how many are left
with WMA exclusively?
The BBC, for one, is no
Now that Rhapsody is gone... Michael, Felix, how do we have to bribe you
to put AAC back into the ip3k players' firmwares? Or are there other
reasons it can't be supported? I understand that it has been in there in
the past, right?
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Well, these days replacing WMA by AAC would probably mean you can access
more, not fewer radio stations, don't you think so? WMA is really in
decline.
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Well, iPeng on the Watch does of course come with Quick Switch which is
as close as I can see music following coming right now. Maybe if we once
get direct access to the Bluetooth LE stack and can use iBeacons
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OK, another image. The glance (since you asked no questions about all
the features that are uncommon in the above screen shot; most of which
only actual Watch users will have a chance of actually noticing, though,
and even then maybe only if you know about WatchKit limitations...).
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thouky wrote:
The middle two on that list are definitely the ones that I would request
added to your initial feature set.
Well, none of that will be in the _initial_ feature set :) I want to get
some opinions first based on NowPlaying, playlist, player switching an
power.
It was my original
I know that those of you with the Watch have been waiting for this
Now, it's not on the App Store yet but close to being submitted. So I
thought I'd start with a little preview
And as usual with my iPeng previews, there are a few hints hidden in
there although in this case they are pretty
Well, both fully featured and reliable are a bit of a challenge on
the Watch, aren't they? Features that include long lists are a no-go on
the Watch - they don't work well and are a nuisance to handle - and
reliability strongly depends on the connection quality which isn't
always a given.
For
Did you manually configure the server? Server discovery might not work
through a VPN
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We'll have to look at the search, I don't know how much of that is
configurable.
The Favorites are on the To-Do-List
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Cool. Is there a simple way to use other OpenType or ttf fonts?
Can you select the face, too?
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Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.
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To be more specific: there are private binaries in the Touch and Radio
images which are not part of the public distribution.
The very reason for this is to make sure things like Rhapsody can not be
run on 3rd party hardware or software players.
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You all need to get this: RHAPSODY DOES NOT WANT YOU TO PLAY ITS SERVICE
ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN SQUEEZEBOX HARDWARE.
On ip3k hardware it no longer works, that's not intentional but probably
unavoidable. But that it doesn't run on anything else is not by accident
or because somebody didn't
And since I'm at it... one more:
This is not malice by Rhapsody. They have to do this, they are obliged
to it by their rights holders.
I've had good discussions with them regarding supporting it in iPeng's
player in the past and since that's a controlled environment they would
have been OK with
And yes, if you can get the original images that come with the server to
run in a virtualization environment, then it would work. I doubt they
run on anything but real hardware, though.
And, btw, this question has been answered a few times before in the
developer forum, too
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Yea, sorry, but you are like the 20th person asking the question, so
this wasn't just targeted at you ;) it will come up many more times
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The main issue will probably be that the audio drivers used by Logitech
are likely proprietary ones so if you run the image on anything else I
doubt that will work. I'm also not sure, they might call stuff from the
private part of the boot image on the device.
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I doubt that would work. Where do you capture the audio and how do you
re-stream it without adding a lot more latency. You'd also have two
players in the loop then.
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Which problem? Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.
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I'm not at all impressed with the sound quality of my Sonos connect
(it's not entirely bad, too. It's simply average) but hey, we are
talking about Rhapsody here, aren't we? I mean, it doesn't get much
worse there days if we talk about sound quality so what you stream it to
pretty much doesn't
Sox means resampling. That should not happen for 44.1/48 kHz material,
all players support that (except slimp3) also with 24 bit.
Only touch, transporter and most software players support 96 kHz, all
others need resampling which is CPU heavy
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Oh, and depending on your server setup ALAC might always be transcoded
to FLAC. ALAC is natively supported by Touch (and some software players,
like iPeng) only but the default server setup even transcoded for these
players until 7.7.3 or so. ALAC to FLAC transcoding should not require a
lot of
You are right, the default is still off but at least it's now
configurable in settings. In the past native ALAC was commented out in
the convert.conf.
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Michael is still no hardware team.
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With which team would they make them?
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Would still expose the keys on your server.
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Yesterday we rolled out a change so that ickStream now also includes
support for the TIDAL Rising ( https://listen.tidalhifi.com/rising ) and
TIDAL Discovery ( http://listen.tidalhifi.com/discovery ) features.
If you are using ickStream on a Squeezebox System: the menus are cached
so might only
fcm4711 wrote:
I can only assume that Rhapsody is running other things than serving
music like CC payments on these backend servers too which required the
update.
C'mon Felix, you and I know how serving up content through SSL/TLS works
so it was pretty obvious that at some time the
Deezer? Tidal? The one track at a time limit is a Spotify speciality
related to the libspotify library
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Newer services often no longer encrypt their streams because rights
holders today are less paranoid, they understand that it's not their
paying customers who are trying to rob them.
But Rhapsody is one of the first services around, they have old
contracts and these contracts require the
Squeezeisfab wrote:
1. Why are other streams not faced with this issue? Or will they be in
time?
Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?
Most Streaming clients have the same Spotify limitation, with Rhapsody I
don't have an overview. But the fact that the
Hm, which account type do you have? Does it play full tracks through
MySqueezebox.com?
While most other services don't play anything at all on Squeezeboxes
when you don't have the necessary premium account, Deezer plays the
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And you want to know whether other devices are affected, too, or other
services?
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But you can't have three different streams at the same time
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dbinfl wrote:
One drawback is that the lookup of a currently playing song on other
services (e.g. Pandora is playing, look up the song on Rhapsody) doesn't
include Spotify in the list of lookup sources. I added lots of stuff to
Rhapsody over the years with this feature.
You don't happen
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I think blame is a complicated thing in this case.
The switch to AES is probably inevitable, without it TLS is insecure and
why would they want to use an insecure encryption...
No idea about whether it's feasible at all to put AES onto the ip3k
processor (probably yes, it's a network processor)
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Have a look at the Server Power Control plugin
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Sure. The Radio is pretty much a standalone system with just a headphone
out but Touch is perfect for HiFi systems. It's essentially an SB3
successor
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Be aware that Napster/Rhapsody is not working on 3rd party HW either. It
currently only works on Touch and Radio
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Unfortunately there is no good news: Rhapsody is no longer working on
older SB models due to encryption changes. Most likely this is not
fixable lack of memory on these older devices. We've been counting bytes
before (literally!). Implementing new encryption modes is out of
There is an option to sign out - on MySqueezebox.com.
Didn't help for me neither, though.
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Ok, seems to be a general issue on ip3k devices. Radio and Touch still
seem to work
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You probably have to update your server
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Which assets? There are no assets besides maybe the brand name.
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The software is open source and the hardware is really old and full of
no longer available parts, you'd have to completely redesign it anyway,
so you can just as well start from scratch or with one of the 3rd party
projects which are more modern anyway.
I doubt contracts would be transferable
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