ctbarker32 wrote:
It boggles my mind to think that Boulder believes there is a market for
$55k DLNA Network audio player/DAC that is still slower and has less
features than an LMS server plus say PiCoreplayer RPi clients?
'Boulder 2120 DAC (Network Player)'
Julf wrote:
Actually, let's hope the French government won't. It would distort the
market and harm other people who want to develop similar services with a
more sustainable model. If we allowed unlimited French government
subsidies, we would all be using Minitel instead of the Internet.
Or
fuzzyT wrote:
The most obvious immediate benefit is that persons already subscribing
to Amazon Prime get it for no additional cost.
Just like in the UK Amazon Prime subscription increased by £30.00 when
video was added!
tamanaco wrote:
Just ran across this gadget and wondered what SB community would say
about it.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fon/gramofon-modern-cloud-jukebox
And that's going to happen in the next 29 days.
Try https://www.thisisbeep.com
Probably more chance
banned for life wrote:
+1 : bigger speakers than your phone/tablet.
I haven't actually heard the Sonos product but it is bound to be a
limited fidelity alternative compared to a real stereo.
Designed to take no space, products like this are consistent with
approval from the spousal
cliveb wrote:
I've only ever used the Pi as a player, not a server. What I can confirm
is that the quality of the built-in audio output is pretty poor.
Distortion and noise are unacceptable. I use mine with a Muse PCM2704
USB-to-SPDIF converter feeding an old QED Digit DAC, and it works fine
erland wrote:
They have dropped the Netflix discount as I've understood:
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-google-ends-chromecast-netflix-promotion-20130725,0,483513.story
Agreed, it feels more like an AirPlay competitor than something that
tries to replace a full blown
Labarum wrote:
Is this a game-changer?
Google has just launched a new streaming system.
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Chromecast?id=chromecast
Has anyone sight of the technical specs?
There is almost nothing visible to the likes of me.
Now it must handle Google
erland wrote:
Strange, previously someone said that FLAC was supported on the Jongo:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97774-Jongo-Is-it-a-replacementp=732213viewfull=1#post732213
Yep
Seems pure might like to update their UK retailers, as most claim FLAC
support:
bobk...@digido.com wrote:
Based on the recent replies in this thread (thank you all), my best bet
is to try applescripting a wav conversion for incoming PT wavs. I do
hope that someone tries to resurrect LMS independently. In the meantime
I'm going to move to a computer-based player, it's my
nordvest wrote:
Hi,
I just discovered the amazing playback feature on Ipeng and now use it
to stream music to my apple tv with airplay.
A lot of my music is stored as Flac files and I was wondering which
quality they get played at when I stream them to the Apple tv from my
IPad 4 or Ipod
nordvest wrote:
If I understand you correctly there will be some alterations in the
sample rate but will the bitrate remain lossless or does it get
downsampled too?
Because the sample rate is changed, and it's not an easy multiple
change, ALL bits will be altered, to try and replicate the
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So it can be done? Does it play bitperfect high-res FLAC? How does the
music get to the AE? Via the iPad, or direct from the server with
transcoding?
Read my response. That gives routing.
Airplay is the limiting factor - 44.14 16bit only.
If you don't like that then it's USB
garym wrote:
re: UpNP, just noticed this. May be old newsand I'm leery of any
server that brags about converting FLAC to WAV on the fly (on the other
hand, maybe that is important if many players require WAV in a UpNP
world And can't see anything about synching or gapless, so I
Pascal Hibon wrote:
Sounds like a very familiar story...
Yes that will help them sell lot's of £500 boxes onto the specialist
audio market..
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Thanks for your reply, but no - this is not how I understood the
original thread of comments.
You're talking about turning your phone/tablet into a Squeezebox - yes,
I understand that.
But the original post was
and then
Now, by these, I am reading that you
gruntwolla wrote:
Not if you hate itunes!!
No iTunes required, iPeng's fine.
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Anyone found a more detailed spec on the Jongo a140b
Codec support Includes WMA (Standard V9), AAC, MP3, MP2 this spec
look pants to me :/ where is the rest like FLAC OGG WAV aiff alac ,
looking like this it can't be an alternative to anything .
Edit : the FAQ about other
erland wrote:
Can it play local music ?
Kind of sounds like it can play files from a iPhone/Android device or
from their central online Pure Music/Pure Connect streaming service.
If this is the case, there is a risk the supported audio formats are
more or less limited to lossy compression
erland wrote:
That sounds kind of promising, do you have any idea regarding online
streaming services support ?
Currently it is as you stated - their own music store @ £4.99 a month.
No statement on the standard online providers. The 140b is the SB3
equivalent and its not available yet,
erland wrote:
DLNA/UPnP doesn't necessary mean that it displays a
directory/subdirectory structure, just look at the DLNA/UPnP server
exposed from LMS which exposes similar structure as in the normal LMS
browse menus, but I get what you mean, you basically want tag based
browsing with good
Gadgety1 wrote:
According to the Logitech market analysis I saw, the growth is in the
radio type devices, smaller, cheaper, built in speaker and amplifier,
low power where even someone with dementia could operate them. Logitech
are going for the growth segment and abandoning the stand alone
pippin wrote:
While I agree with the observation, it did not necessarily have to be
that way. The client/server architecture was a smart move when it was
first introduced because it allowed to build a low cost system with a
lot of capability and extensibility. There are no systems on the
sgmlaw wrote:
Now that Logitech has clumsily killed their baby, why doesn't the
original Slim Devices team just buy the essential IP and keep it going?
It should be cheaper than what Logitech paid for it, and I'm sure Andy
knows how to revive it in the right direction again.
Logitech is a
garym wrote:
I'm no expert on airplay. just recalling things I've read, there may be
resampling to 16/48 (from 16/44.1), not using 24/x, thus not as good at
digital volume control, no 24/96, etc. etc. There are other threads on
this and I'm sure someone that knows can clarify/correct me.
banned for life wrote:
Can I take an airplay device (Apple TV?) to other places and access all
my music at another place and using an internet connection and without
playing from the iCloud?
Now is. Just curious.
bfl
Airplay is just a local wifi transport system. It allows an iDevice
nekomatic wrote:
If I read this correctly... no. The nearest Apple solution to what I
think you're asking is iTunes Match.
Dave, doesn't iTunes on Windows do AirPlay then?
No idea I don't do windows, Linux and OSX only.
Dave
PS you can use 'back to my mac' feature of ICloud to remote
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AirPlay is limited to 48/16, not 44.1/16.
What's more of a limitation is that you can only have a single stream
from an iOS device, multiroom only really works from a Mac
Airplay audio is 44.1/16
Apple Airport Express will only output 44.1/16. - fully bit
transparent.
Apple
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Airplay is limited to CD quality - 16bit/44.1 Khz - only a problem if
you have any higher def music to play as it will be downsampled.
For virtually all cloud music services it is overkill, and it matches CD
quality, after that you in very diminishing marginal returns area.
pallfreeman wrote:
Thanks. Let's hope they do better with LMS and the software players.
Is that to finally ensure they have given all their commercial value
away.
What a business, software players on a free Internet service, with a
free standalone server. And you people wonder why it's not
I might give them the benefit of the doubt, but since they seem capable
of writing (email) to me to sell me new products, it shouldn't have been
that difficult to inform me of the Squeezebox news.
Frankly if this is their approach to systems sales with dependencies on
their server, and
Ikabob wrote:
I have many friends that I used to recommend to the LOGITECH Squeezebox
system ...Touch, Radio and Boom! It was/is a
great music/entertainment audio ecosystem along with Ipeng.
How can I recommend it NOW? The product line is lacking! All it is, is a
radio. LOGITECH no
gharris999 wrote:
What? Not just pining for the fjords?
No more than just stunned. Nailed to it's IP address.
Dave
Sorry showing my age and irreverance.
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No reason to speculate, the future will show us what will happen, nobody
knows at the moment, not even people within Logitech.
There is probably more likely that Logitech will spend maintenance
resources to implement API changes for premium services like Spotify,
Pandora,
alfista wrote:
Blaming the situation on external developers it quite a stretch, and for
that matter the most commonly used software players was released by Slim
Devices/Logitech them selves, if anything I beleive the external
developers have helped hardware sales.
But I do agree the UE
There were no software players with full synchronisation ability.
Squeezplay started the issues. Reverse engineered Slim products were a
significantly lesser threat.
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Have you really tried full synchronisation with software players ? For
more than 5 minutes ? With more than 2 players ?
(Besides, I think Squeezeplay belongs to Logi and is well enough
protected.)
No I only own two software players with sync capability, but they work
fine
erland wrote:
An iPod Touch + good docking station is definitely more expensive and
more ugly than a Squeezebox Radio, so it's not even a cheap solution,
unless you already have a spare iPod Touch to always have in the docking
station.
Don't agree, at least the iPod system can be
erland wrote:
Which works great unless you want a remote, because it's when you want
to remote control all these apps it's starting to get complicated and
Squeezebox have a gigantic advantage. Another thing is synchronized
playback between multiple devices, try to accomplish that with an
verypsb wrote:
You think any other online backup solution will be faster?
You think it's a backup solution it isn't. No warranty on your data
being available. Don't see any point in a maybe service?
Dave
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. This is especially the case for classical music
since it supports a flexible tag search order, and user specified tags.
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mherger;699339 Wrote:
Thanks for the quick feedback. Form follows function: I'll deal with
those details once everything's working again :-).
I think you need to tidy up the employees list on the quick links - it
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GreenGrass;698911 Wrote:
Does the Apple TV resampling only apply to the optical output? I read
somewhere that the Apple TV HDMI audio output is bit perfect.
Only for Dolby Digital signals, stereo audio is resampled to 48k
16bit.
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Apple TV outputs stereo audio at 16bit 48K on hdmi and toslink outs.
This is independent of file type.
Not really good enough
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at 44.1k sampling rate and up-sampling it to a non multiple like 48k is
benign without great care.
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pippin;696890 Wrote:
I believe that was a typo, all Apple devices usually only do 16/44.1,
not 16/48
Not true Apple TV2 and Apple TV3 only output stereo audio at 16bit 48k.
Totally different to Airport Express. Check Apple support. Or try
plugging in a DAC!
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Absolutely, it also makes sense from a cost point of view. No DAC, no
extra crystals, after all it is a TV Box.
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bpa;695903 Wrote:
Maybe things are changing - they are hiring 2 development engineers
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=695879postcount=27
Good news - but with UPNP DLNA skills - Not Revue 2!
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all those years
Logitech could rule this world if only they would made an effort on
installation process for newbee and put decent MCU RAM in SB Touch to
make it able to run LMS stand alone
Because the team doing this are part ex Linn staff.
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and send to DS using Songcast.
Finally 5 year warranty on hardware.
Expensive but good, although not really the answer for a houseful.
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There is also this startup, a spin off from Linn:
http://simpleaudio.co.uk/overview
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Yes, a little bit more effort on product and then promotion and Squeeze
could easily have had all the Sonos space.
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They could do with some real marketing, not obscure blog postings. Some
real investment in retailers, exhibitions etc. Currently the only
obvious contender is Sonos.
So blog post - one guy says they are great, the other hasn't bought one
yet. Way to go. Real impact.
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In this type of business, there is NO guarantee the backup or the
business is there when you want it. You have not paid for a service,
therefore your rights are somewhat limited. Alternative backup still
required.
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a little more ( well some) warranty. But it could be a good extra
option at no cost.
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I also don't like the concept he has of backups - he appears to be
processing backups, tag correcting etc. Well he doesn't own the data,
and shouldn't be processing it. Backup is backup, processing and
changing is something else.
As you can see, not keen.
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The Linn solution is from Linn Engineering - it is part of their Davaar
software release. It is not third party.
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Linn DS devices do it. Software only update. They have no special
chips as they pre-date Airplay. Indeed a year ago they said they
wouldn't support it.
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you sell entertainment products through computer bits resellers.
Crossing the Chasm by Geoffrey Moore describes moving from niche to
volume adoption. I don't think Logitech managed the crossing.
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Don't forget Logitech got burn't on Google TV.
Any I don't think that they want to undermine the current Squeeze price
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streamers. They have also added Songcast to support high sample rate
24 bit music.
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DRM, then we got DRM free
with 256k AAC. Also Airplay works from laptops and can be used for film
soundtracks etc.
Overall it looks as though Airplay has certainly got some momentum,
even Logitech have woken up!
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All Linn DS products now with Davaar firmware support Airplay.
Absolutely no hardware changes at all.
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party chairman heads it up. Budget frozen
for 6 years. We Brits like to wreck what we have.
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The biggest difference is Sonos are committed to their product line,
with resources etc. Logitech are not, a few diehard engineers are, but
that doesn't provide a secure future direction.
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Could we refrain from bitching.
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I'd check about longevity of support, the displays were declared EOL,
and there was to be no fixes outside warranty period. $1200 is a lot
for a limited life product.
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: How Do You Control Your Music/Squeezebox?
- SBC (Squeezebox Controller)
- IR Remote Control
- Web UI
- Touch
- Other - Explain
iPeng all the time
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Anyone able to reach bugs.slimdevices.com again ?
Does http://bugs.slimdevices.com work for you (same address, but
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No - Squeezeboxes only receive data and convert to audio via a DAC, they
have no way of encoding audio, and sending it via the LAN / WLAN ports.
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If they weren't involved, the current delays on Touch development would
have made Slim Devices bankrupt. So we at least get some financial
stability. and product development continues, albeit with some issues.
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Erland, sorry if I over reacted, let's hope the situation post the
Touch development challenges is 'business as usual'.
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to the CD player (so
long as you don't use volume control). Use the Denon 1910 volume
control instead.
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Is that a prerequisite?
Yes, no comment without experience.
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A social community is about tracking people, usually to the detriment of
the spread of concepts, ideas, or knowledge IMHO.
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majones probably just assumed that Denmark wasn't existing anymore
:)
They didn't win against the Romans, the Romans didn't like the
cold..
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The thing I don't know is whether replaygain (if used) also follows
these adjustment rules to protect bit resolution.
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albums, smart gain is sensible.
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The SB3 can only handle 48k analogue and digital out. SOX is used in
SBS to downsample 96k 24bit to 48k 24bit. The Touch can handle 96k.
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I was just explaining, I think that the sort tags should be added by the
user.
Sorting is not the same as storage folder structure. And even that
will vary particularly for thos with large classical collections.
I would leave it alone.
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