Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-08-08 Thread djfake

I also have rebuffering with flac, never did before. 



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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-08-08 Thread Mnyb

Wired or wifi ?

Wifi is like weather inherently unpredictable , try wired to see if
rebuffering still occurs.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-08-08 Thread amey01

My problem is more unusual.  I have not seen any reference to it on the
forums. 

I get rebuffering also (SB3, wireless), but only when the SB is first
turned on. If I try to play music straight away, I get really poor
performance, stuttering display and slow response, then rebuffering,
then SB3 reboots. 

I get this with BOTH my Squeezeboxes. 

But after they have been connected to the server for 5 minutes or so I
have no more issues. 

NOW - If the Squeezebox(es) are turned on and I turn the server on then
I have instant connectivity, no problem. It is only if the actual SBs
are off.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-03-04 Thread tingtong5

Since upgrading to 7.4.2. I also get rebuffering while playing flac
files. My setup is wired. Never had this before, but also not sure if it
is related to the SBS upgrade.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-26 Thread wonder boy

bobkoure;510423 Wrote: 
 Not sure, but I'm pretty sure not.
 A DD-WRT capable router might help you, though. If it's just a problem
 with one device, you could wire that device to the WRT router, and put
 DD-WRT into client mode. If it's a couple of devices, you can put it
 into wireless bridge mode to do the same thing completely wirelessly
 (but you will only get half the theoretical bandwidth as it's working as
 two routers).
 The router should run you around $30 (here's one at 'newegg'
 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320026cm_re=asus_router-_-33-320-026-_-Product)
 for 29.99)
 
 ...so you might be able to skip pulling wires...

Thanks, it's not such a problem with one device as such but whichever
device is the third one switched on. Incidently I downgraded last night
to 7.3.3 and fingers crossed things seem fine at the minute. This is
with my SB3 and 2 booms all on and synced playing FLAC all last night as
well as 2 laptops on the wireless also.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-25 Thread bobkoure

wonder boy;509882 Wrote: 
 
 A N series router wouldn't provide more oomph then I guess?
Not sure, but I'm pretty sure not.
A DD-WRT capable router might help you, though. If it's just a problem
with one device, you could wire that device to the WRT router, and put
DD-WRT into client mode. If it's a couple of devices, you can put it
into wireless bridge mode to do the same thing completely wirelessly
(but you will only get half the theoretical bandwidth as it's working as
two routers).
The router should run you around $30 (here's one at 'newegg'
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320026cm_re=asus_router-_-33-320-026-_-Product)
for 29.99)

...so you might be able to skip pulling wires...


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-24 Thread wonder boy

PLEASE HELP!!

2 Booms and 1 SB3 all wireless. Major rebuffering since adding 3rd
boom, whether I stream FLAC or WMA from main hard disk or external it
works fine until I switch on the 3rd box regardless of which one. All
show signal strength 80% and above

Things left to try...down grading to 7.3? Upgrading router from G to N
series even though squeezeboxes are all G?

Any suggestions welcome, thinking it's a network capacity problem?


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-24 Thread Mnyb

wonder boy;509860 Wrote: 
 PLEASE HELP!!
 
 2 Booms and 1 SB3 all wireless. Major rebuffering since adding 3rd
 boom, whether I stream FLAC or WMA from main hard disk or external it
 works fine until I switch on the 3rd box regardless of which one. All
 show signal strength 80% and above
 
 Things left to try...down grading to 7.3? Upgrading router from G to N
 series even though squeezeboxes are all G?
 
 Any suggestions welcome, thinking it's a network capacity problem?
 
 Forgot to add, get nos such problem with smallish MP files that I have

Is the server wired, if not wire the server this will cut the network
load by half. If you have a wireless server all streams have to go to
router via wifi then to the players this use up twice the bandwith
normally needed.
So a 3 player network would use the same capacity as a 6 player network
if the server is on wifi to.

Then try to wire some of the players, this is not impossible btw ;)


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-24 Thread wonder boy

Mnyb;509870 Wrote: 
 Is the server wired, if not wire the server this will cut the network
 load by half. If you have a wireless server all streams have to go to
 router via wifi then to the players this use up twice the bandwith
 normally needed.
 So a 3 player network would use the same capacity as a 6 player network
 if the server is on wifi to.
 
 Then try to wire some of the players, this is not impossible btw ;)

Thanks for the quick reply. Yes the server is wired to the router, just
trying now to connect a boom straight to the router but need to delete
wireless settings first as it just connects straight away through wifi.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-24 Thread Mnyb

wonder boy;509875 Wrote: 
 Thanks for the quick reply. Yes the server is wired to the router, just
 trying now to connect a boom straight to the router but need to delete
 wireless settings first as it just connects straight away through wifi.

Good ! wifi is tricky, it usually local circumstances that determine
performance, search this forum there are many treads.

Try for example to find the least occupied channel if you have many
neighboring nets they could interfere if you are using the same channel
use ch1 or 6 or 11 . if the whole neighborhood is on11 i would be on ch1
use a tool like netstumbler to survey the neighborhood.

Sometimes one situation is that wifi would never be good enough for
streaming what ever you do ? Time pull some wires.

And yes all squeezeboxes need to be reset in some manner to use
ethernet instead of wifi. The good thing is that this is relatively easy
on boom and SB3.

If you suspect that it is the server that overloads you could
temporarily wire all players with short wires no need to listen to them,
they probably flashes rebuffering.. on the screen


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-24 Thread wonder boy

Mnyb;509878 Wrote: 
 Good ! wifi is tricky, it usually local circumstances that determine
 performance, search this forum there are many treads.
 
 Try for example to find the least occupied channel if you have many
 neighboring nets they could interfere if you are using the same channel
 use ch1 or 6 or 11 . if the whole neighborhood is on11 i would be on ch1
 use a tool like netstumbler to survey the neighborhood.
 
 Sometimes one situation is that wifi would never be good enough for
 streaming what ever you do ? Time pull some wires.
 
 And yes all squeezeboxes need to be reset in some manner to use
 ethernet instead of wifi. The good thing is that this is relatively easy
 on boom and SB3.
 
 If you suspect that it is the server that overloads you could
 temporarily wire all players with short wires no need to listen to them,
 they probably flashes rebuffering.. on the screen

Thanks again, all 3 now working perfectly with just one of my booms
wired in, looks like I need to go under the floors :-( d/l netstumbler
and as I suspected there are no other wifi signals detected, (large
gardens in  neighbourhood mostly occupied by the elderly!!).

A N series router wouldn't provide more oomph then I guess?


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-24 Thread Nonreality

Never had a problem with buffering ever until 7.4.2  Only with flac and
not consistantly. Hope they solve this as flac is the reason a lot of
ppl have bought Squeezeboxes.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2010-01-05 Thread gian

yesterday my server started dropping and showing severe rebuffering
problems, both on radio streams and local FLAC files.

Tried rebooting server and wireless AP, with no success.

Version: 7.4.1 - r28947 @ Tue Oct 20 07:58:02 PDT 2009
Hostname: oggy
Server IP Address: 192.168.1.124
Server HTTP Port Number: 9000
Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8
Platform Architecture: i686-linux
Perl Version: 5.10.0 - i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi
MySQL Version: 5.0.67-0ubuntu6
Total Players Recognized: 1

Is there a way I can track down the issue?

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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-11 Thread DigitalMitch

Zoltan, 

WHS was apparently optimised for 0.5G, but HP added some stuff.
I then added SBS and MusicIP hence need for upgrade. Didn't want to
repeat the exercise so went straight to max).

I'm sure that Linux based solutions would be better, but at the time,
the HP medismart seemed good for me, being ready built and Windows,
which I was comfortable with.

The Touch is driving SBS light, but no hints whether that code would
be available for other platforms (since it would conflict with Touch
hardware sales).

If I was choosing a new solution now, (or when I need to) I'd still be
looking for something beyond Touch for the extra server functionality
and some backup for the music files, as well as power and size.
(recognising HP itself is limited backup).

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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-11 Thread Zoltan

DigitalMitch;494490 Wrote: 
 Zoltan, 
 
 WHS was apparently optimised for 0.5G, but HP added some stuff.
 I then added SBS and MusicIP hence need for upgrade. Didn't want to
 repeat the exercise so went straight to max).
 
 I'm sure that Linux based solutions would be better, but at the time,
 the HP medismart seemed good for me, being ready built and Windows,
 which I was comfortable with.
 
 The Touch is driving SBS light, but no hints whether that code would
 be available for other platforms (since it would conflict with Touch
 hardware sales).
 
 If I was choosing a new solution now, (or when I need to) I'd still be
 looking for something beyond Touch for the extra server functionality
 and some backup for the music files, as well as power and size.
 (recognising HP itself is limited backup).
 
 Mitch

Thanks for the reassurance Mitch.  I am in fact running Ubuntu as my
server OS and like I said it seems to work fine for me at the moment. It
just worries me when I see suggestions that relatively high powered
hardware (compared to what I am using) might be to blame for poor SB
performance.  It worries me that it is a sign that SBS is becoming more
resource hungry over time.  I hope that that is something that Logitech
are keeping a check on.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-10 Thread Zoltan

DigitalMitch;493043 Wrote: 
 
 server performance (upgarded memory in HP Mediasnart to 2G)
 
 Mitch

Is it just me, or shouldn't we be able to expect that the server
software is able to run on pretty low powered hardware.  A mediasmart
with 2G sounds far higher than what ought to be acceptable minimum spec
to me, and the OPs machine surely ought to have been powerful enough. 

Given that for convenience, the server typically needs to be running
for considerably more time than the Squeezebox is being actively used
(and may even be left running 24/7), and given the trends towards trying
to minimise power consumption as well as low power options such as the
Sheevaplug starting to become widely available, I feel that the server
software ought to be respecting these sort of trends and minimising
hardware resource requirements.  i.e. going in the opposite direction to
that which software has traditionally gone. 

I have to admit I have a vested interest in this as my server is based
around a Via 500MHz chip with 0.5G RAM and I'm looking to reduce my
power consumption further by moving to a Sheevaplug. (Despite its
apparently low power, my current server works fine BTW - I'd just like
to be sure that it or something similarly low powered will continue to
do so.) I would also expect that it would be in Logitech's interests
given that the new Touch will incorporate a slimmed down server.

Anyway, just some thoughts that occurred when I read this thread.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-09 Thread DigitalMitch

I'm not familiar with Airport but you amy wish to compare to the
following

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14570

Nor am I familar with Mac OS and boxes.

The timing of the problem suggests

1) the new OS plus upgraded SBS has stretched mac too far
2) the new software has an issue
3) something else has happened simultaneously (typically nighbours
impacting wifi).

The process for nailing 2) is the same as 3) which is, unfortunately
tedious, systematic trouble shooting by changing one component at a
time.

typical tests (which aren't necessarily easy).

a) temporarily wire network to check wireless
b) drop back to old SBS on new OS
c) run server temporarily on a faster/bigger computer
d) watch meticuluously for parallel events (microwaves, background
processes)

the fact that OP is hanging is a more unusual fault than intermittant
rebuffering, if it is consistent then I'd call support. Sorry I can't
giv anything better.

P.S. how many/which players  which control mechanism?


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-09 Thread Mnyb

What is the file format ? it could be some transcoding process that
fails ?

To rule out the wifi temporarily wire the whole system both server and
player (player is small can be moved ), if it still is rebuffering,
*only then* can you suspect combination of OS and server version.
The is really no way forward until you have tested this

Which squeezebox what firmware is it on ? if and old SB3/2 is it set to
auto update ? if not did you press the brightness button to let it
upgrade ?

factory reset and xilink reset performed on the player ?


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-09 Thread apg

Thank you for your responses.  Hard-wiring the squeezebox to the router
is an excellent idea and I will try that.  If nothing else,  it will
eliminate some potential causes of the issue.   

The squeezebox does not autoupdate but I have (as you might expect
given my performance issues) found myself holding down the brightness
button quite frequently lately.  But no illumination results.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-09 Thread Mnyb

Yep Holding 1 is the xilink reset (you unplug it and hold 1 during boot
so that you see xilink reset in the display )

Holding + ( add ) is the factory reset.

Your SB3 should have firmware version 130 can bees seen in the web
interface
settings  information page

If you rummage around in the setup menu of the SB3 (hold left arrow a
while)
You can set it to auto update firmware , note you can do that after you
got it updated to one of never versions. Othervise an SB3 wants you to
hold the brightness button to upgrade firmware

For other readers, for future reference
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_Reset_commands

If you get weird audio out of an squuezebox a xilink reset is usually
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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-08 Thread Jason Voegele
On Sunday 06 December 2009 05:37:49 pm apg wrote:
 Since upgrading my squeezebox server to 7.4.1 and the mac mini on which
 it runs to snow leopard I have had continual problems with rebuffering.
 The problem manifests itself as follows:
 
 - reboot squeezebox - everything fine when playing the first selection
 - select a different record - record begins to play but after a few
 seconds the 'rebuffering...' message appears  the player hangs at
 (e.g.) 'rebuffering...68%' and disappears from the network.
 - reboot squeezebox and repeat ad nauseam.
 
 I have tried many of the nostra suggested on this forum, such as
 clearing down unnecessary plugins but it has made no difference. I also
 tried downgrading to 7.3.2, but fell foul of the mac's perl upgrade on
 that one.
 
 Ideas (or better solutions)  from the wise collective on this site most
 welcome.

[I have tried to post this message several times in the forums, but it has 
never showed up.  Now I am trying via email.]

I share the original poster's problems with rebuffering and also believe it to 
be a software issue with recent versions of Squeezebox Server.  I have been 
running the same set up flawlessly for over two years, without ever having any 
problems with skipping or rebuffering.  Now, however, after having recently 
upgraded Squeezebox Server I am having constant problems with music 
rebuffering.  Nothing else in my setup has changed at all, only the upgrade of 
Squeezebox Server.

I've only noticed this problem with music from my local collection (mixture of 
FLAC and Ogg Vorbis), and to my recollection the rebuffering has not been an 
issue with Internet streams.

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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-07 Thread DigitalMitch

there are many threads on this and some details of your set-up would
help the community provide some specific suggestions.

Rebuffering of radio may be down to your ISP.

For local files I've seen rebuffering caused by:-
unstable router firmware (Belkin N1 Vision)
general wifi issues (moved to homeplug, ethernet over power)
server performance (upgarded memory in HP Mediasnart to 2G)

specifically for local FLAC, rebuffering did not occur until 7.4 (i
think) instead the above probably caused a slight stutter and loss of
sync. The error handling got improved and this exposed my underlying
problems.

this does not rule out something in the newer release of software as
well, but no-one has really nailed that and several that have tried have
come up with similar issues to mine.

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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-07 Thread OutdoorXplorer

Could the issue cause by the source which is Mac Mini? I used to have
similar re-buffering problem when streaming from Syno 207+ but the same
never reoccurs since I upgraded to Syno 209+ II.


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Re: [slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-07 Thread apg

Mitch...

My set up is - intel mac mini 1.1 (1.83Gz core duo) w 1GB of memory
currently running snow leopard (10.6.2) and squeezecenter 7.4.2 (recent
build - yes, I'll try anything...) connected via ethernet to an airport
extreme.   I have a v3 squeezebox running the firmware version
compatible with squeezebox 7.4.%.  Pretty much all of my files are high
bitrate mp3 or aac files (256K or better).  My squeezebox is wirelessly
connected to the airport extreme but in the same room and in 'line of
sight'.  

Outdoorxplorer...

I take your point but I did not have these problems before I 'upgraded'
to the latest versions of the Mac OS and squeezeserver 7.4.1 at pretty
much the same time.  Also, other network activities (such as VNC/screen
sharing) against the mac mini are screamingly fast, although I agree
these are less IO intensive than music streaming.


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[slim] 7.4.1 rebuffering woes

2009-12-06 Thread apg

Since upgrading my squeezebox server to 7.4.1 and the mac mini on which
it runs to snow leopard I have had continual problems with rebuffering. 
The problem manifests itself as follows:

- reboot squeezebox - everything fine when playing the first selection
- select a different record - record begins to play but after a few
seconds the 'rebuffering...' message appears  the player hangs at
(e.g.) 'rebuffering...68%' and disappears from the network.  
- reboot squeezebox and repeat ad nauseam.

I have tried many of the nostra suggested on this forum, such as
clearing down unnecessary plugins but it has made no difference. I also
tried downgrading to 7.3.2, but fell foul of the mac's perl upgrade on
that one.   

Ideas (or better solutions)  from the wise collective on this site most
welcome.


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