Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-20 Thread bakker_be
garym wrote: > your 6GB must include your actual storage for the 120k tracks. the > Roon database files are fairly small. That's the size of the "RoonServer" folder in c:\users\username\AppData\Local. The 120k tracks are on my Ubuntu server and are around 3TB ... Main System: Touch;

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-20 Thread bakker_be
Apesbrain wrote: > -"This proposal was tested against track normalization in a shuffled > playlist > of 24 songs with 38 subjects. It turned out that 80% of the subjects > preferred album normalization, even though the tracks were selected > for an extreme difference in loudness, of up to 10

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-19 Thread Apesbrain
slartibartfast wrote: > As I understand it using Album Gain was preferred even when playing a > mix of tracks. Using Smart Gain would use Track Gain. -"This proposal was tested against track normalization in a shuffled playlist of 24 songs with 38 subjects. It turned out that 80% of the

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-19 Thread slartibartfast
Apesbrain wrote: > Somewhat incidental, but I don't get this. All "Smart Gain" does is > make LMS use Album Gain if playing an album and Track Gain if playing a > mix of tracks. How is that article suggesting anything different?As I > understand it using Album Gain was preferred even when

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-19 Thread garym
Apesbrain wrote: > Somewhat incidental, but I don't get this. All "Smart Gain" does is > make LMS use Album Gain if playing an album and Track Gain if playing a > mix of tracks. How is that article suggesting anything different? exactly! That's why I really like SmartGain. *Home:*

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-19 Thread Apesbrain
bakker_be wrote: > My LMS volume levelling has recently been changed from Smart Gain to > Album Gain, following the reccomendations in > https://octo.hku.nl/octo/repository/getfile?id=qLlZPGSVXFM... Somewhat incidental, but I don't get this. All "Smart Gain" does is make LMS use Album Gain if

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-19 Thread garym
bakker_be wrote: > In Roon they're called zones, but it's similar. > No, Roon doesn't change anything on your players. It impersonates an > LMS. > You'll need quite some diskspace for the DB and stuff (mine takes ±6GB > for 120k tracks), but apart from that I see no issues. your 6GB must

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-19 Thread bakker_be
jimzak wrote: > Quick questions: > > How does Roon play with Squeezebox hardware? Do you pick the player > from the interface just like in SS? > > If i'm using Raspberry Pi players with LCD screens, will they have the > Roon interface too? > > Thanks for answering these basic questions. > >

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-18 Thread jimzak
Quick questions: How does Roon play with Squeezebox hardware? Do you pick the player from the interface just like in SS? If i'm using Raspberry Pi players with LCD screens, will they have the Roon interface too? Thanks for answering these basic questions. PS My music collection is large at

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-18 Thread bakker_be
jbm wrote: > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, bakker_be > wrote: > > > > Scanning indeed, but you have to manually activate the actual use of > > those values :rolleyes: > > This seems 100% appropriate to me. By default, Roon delivers > bitperfect original audio to play zones. If you'd

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-17 Thread garym
jbm wrote: > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, bakker_be > wrote: > > > > Scanning indeed, but you have to manually activate the actual use of > > those values :rolleyes: > > This seems 100% appropriate to me. By default, Roon delivers > bitperfect original audio to play zones. If you'd

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-17 Thread Moore, Jeff
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, bakker_be wrote: > > Scanning indeed, but you have to manually activate the actual use of > those values :rolleyes: This seems 100% appropriate to me. By default, Roon delivers bitperfect original audio to play

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-17 Thread FatPete
Thanks for that link for the 60-day trial - I've been after an extended trial for ages now because I knew 14 days wouldn't be long enough for me to decide whether I could justify the cost. 24 hours in and I'm quite impressed so far. Works flawlessly pushing music to my Sonos (and downsampling

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-17 Thread MelonMonkey
Roon should be a continual reminder to Logitech of the opportunity they pissed away with SS. On the hardware side they already have plenty of reminders... Bruno *'Twisted Melon - IR remote solutions for Mac, Boxee Box, Windows and Linux' (http://twistedmelon.com/shop/?show=bug1)*

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-16 Thread garym
callesoroe wrote: > Can you still use dynamic playlists with trackstat ratings with Roon ??? > Or can Roon not read trackstat ratings ?? no and no. Roon has a "radio" function that builds an ongoing playlist from a seed song. But it is like driving a Ford model T compared to a Porche as

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-16 Thread bakker_be
callesoroe wrote: > Can you still use dynamic playlists with trackstat ratings with Roon ??? > Or can Roon not read trackstat ratings ?? Roon completely replaces your LMS infrastructure, so no access to Trackstat anymore AFAIK. Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-16 Thread callesoroe
bakker_be wrote: > Thanks to John Darko > (http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2017/12/dars-holiday-gift-guide-2017/) > I've started a 60-days free trial of Roon, and even taken the plunge to > let it temporarily take control over my various squeeze-instances. I > last tried this in the early

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-16 Thread bakker_be
24 hours later, all files imported, around 10% scanned :eek: Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-15 Thread bakker_be
garym wrote: > I think Roon does its own RG scanning as well. There is a setting > somewhere to tell it to use the RG tags instead of its own calculation. Scanning indeed, but you have to manually activate the actual use of those values :rolleyes: Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-15 Thread garym
bakker_be wrote: > Thanks, that solves part of the Loudness jump :p I hadn't really thought > it would be a user defined setting, with volume levelling being > implemented by default across all streaming services, so I hadn't even > looked for it. I now set it to the 'AES-reccommended' >

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-15 Thread bakker_be
slartibartfast wrote: > This is probably a stupid question but have you enabled Replaygain in > Roon? Apparently default is off. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Thanks, that solves part of the Loudness jump :p I hadn't really thought it would be a user defined setting, with volume

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-15 Thread slartibartfast
bakker_be wrote: > I have no idea actually, all my tracks are painstakingly tagged with > Replaygain info, according to the R128 EBU norm, which Roon also uses, > so logically it shouldn't, especially since Roon mixes local and cloud > tracks without perceived differences. My LMS volume

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-15 Thread bakker_be
slartibartfast wrote: > Is that volume difference related to Replaygain? > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk I have no idea actually, all my tracks are painstakingly tagged with Replaygain info, according to the R128 EBU norm, which Roon also uses, so logically it shouldn't, especially

Re: [slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-15 Thread slartibartfast
bakker_be wrote: > Thanks to John Darko > (http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2017/12/dars-holiday-gift-guide-2017/) > I've started a 60-days free trial of Roon, and even taken the plunge to > let it temporarily take control over my various squeeze-instances. I > last tried this in the early

[slim] Roon: 60 days free + first findings

2017-12-15 Thread bakker_be
Thanks to John Darko (http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2017/12/dars-holiday-gift-guide-2017/) I've started a 60-days free trial of Roon, and even taken the plunge to let it temporarily take control over my various squeeze-instances. I last tried this in the early stages, and without having