BJW wrote:
> Venezuela, more than a sad story:
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com
>
>
Could you please edit your post, or better still stick to commenting on
social media?
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Venezuela, more than a sad story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/venezuelas-economy-is-so-bad-parents-are-leaving-their-children-at-orphanages/2018/02/12/8021d180-0545-11e8-aa61-f3391373867e_story.html
How anyone educated couldn't have seen this coming when they supported a
interesting to revisit this thread a near decade later.
given what is going on in Venezuela, i think its rather clear who was
right about that issue. and it looks like Iraq is managing to hold on
to its Democracy. also, it looks like Obama's biggest legacy will be
Trump, b/c without Obama,
Mike from slimdevices has clarified that this is the right forum to post
an occasional post that isn't about music or the SB in whatever form.
It was nice to get a clarification about this because there was a small
but vocal group that was very upset about this thread. They basically
thought
Maybe we should let this thread die. I don't say this because I'm
against discussing politics here. But it has become a very strange
discussion. Where we could have an interesting discussion with
arguments taken from inhabitants of different countries, we see one
American defending a certain form
No, Your clogging up the forum with this spam. Thread number 3 is a
joke.
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MrSinatra;358082 Wrote:
that just isn't true.
as i said earlier, iraq broke the terms of the 91 armistice, that gave
us the right to take military action, and there is no question the gulf
war was legal. and we also had resolution 1441 this time.
i'm not sure what part of the UN
MrSinatra;358082 Wrote:
the USA is the bulwark of freedom in the world, and gets very little
credit for it.
Well, when you betray the very ideals you claim to promote and lie
about your motivations for a war, what do you expect?
Face it, US foreign policy has been largely opportunistic
Well first off its great to have a conversation with real people, rather
than the nonsense the press on both sides of the pond pumps out. 10
pages in and people, although obviously disagreeing have having
differing points of view, have put their points across in a non
personal and intelligent
In Greece we hate American foreign policies since WW2. We've always
found them unfair, anti-democratic, and against simple peoples'
interests everywhere in the world. And more particularly in our (greek)
neighborhood.
Nevertheless, we have a big respect for American people, and once more
they
pippin;358132 Wrote:
Well, when you betray the very ideals you claim to promote and lie about
your motivations for a war, what do you expect?
Face it, US foreign policy has been largely opportunistic after WW2.
thats nonsense. we defeated communism, and protected you, wherever you
are.
MrSinatra;358267 Wrote:
give me an example of a Democratic gov't we opposed simply b/c it
leaned left?
Chavez, Allende
(http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB123/chile.htm)
as to saddam, he didn't lean left or right, he was a dictator we used
during the cold war. sometimes you
toby10;358156 Wrote:
Yup. And the reason the UN had 17 resolutions against Iraq is because
Iraq violated the first 16. We know he had WMD's cuz we (the US) and
France and Germany and Russia (and god knows who else) sold them to
Iraq. The question is: what happened to these WMD's. I'm
Nevertheless, we have a big respect for American people, and once more
they proved to be awesome ! Americans really deserve a great applause
for their mutual solidarity : a great nation, indeed.
absolutly!
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MrSinatra;358267 Wrote:
give me an example
Update: The word Liberal worked as an insult or a negative 8 yrs ago.
It doesn't now. NeoCon I believe is the new replacement.
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autopilot;358186 Wrote:
Well first off its great to have a conversation with real people, rather
than the nonsense the press on both sides of the pond pumps out. 10
pages in and people, although obviously disagreeing have having
differing points of view, have put their points across in a non
MrSinatra;358267 Wrote:
give me an example of a Democratic gov't we opposed simply b/c it
leaned left?
Chile, is one of the many answers.
Oh, but perhaps Democratic is a synonym for approved by the
Department of State to you ?
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Autopilot Wrote:
i also agree with the War in Afghanistan, as there is clear links to
terrorism and 9/11.
MrSinatra Wrote:
then where is nato? where is the combat forces of ANY other nation?
we don't need cooks. we need combat forces.
Wow, that's low. There are other nations
pippin;358281 Wrote:
Chavez, Allende
(http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB123/chile.htm)
wait a minute, you are claiming HUGO CHAVEZ as an example of a
democratic gov't??? are you kidding?
pippin;358281 Wrote:
Maybe. Makes you incredible and unpopular, though. That was my point.
Themis;358284 Wrote:
Chile, is one of the many answers.
Oh, but perhaps Democratic is a synonym for approved by the
Department of State to you ?
so could you explain exactly what we did to chile to fight their
democratic gov't?
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autopilot;358313 Wrote:
Wow, that's low. There are other nations troops -fighting- there,
including a great deal of British who are in constant combat. There has
been a lot of deaths, including a few from my home town.
the english by far and away have been the best to support us, but they
moreover, this idea that we shouldn't do anything pro-active or else it
will ecruit more terrorists, is defeatist. sounds very neville
chamberlain to me. you don't cure cancer by appeasing it. you fight it
Invading a country that had nothing to do with terrorism, killing the
population and
MrSinatra;358345 Wrote:
do you consider the russian elections fair as well?
No.
do you consider it a fair election when there is no free press?
Well, Jimmy Carter does. But he's a socialist, I know...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3571350.stm
When he lost one, even the US gov.
MrSinatra;358325 Wrote:
so could you explain exactly what we did to chile to fight their
democratic gov't?On wikipedia, you have the soft version :
The nationalization of U.S. and other foreign-owned companies led to
increased tensions with the United States. The Nixon administration
Perhaps it's time for everyone to give their Woodstock a listen :)
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egd;358370 Wrote:
Perhaps it's time for everyone to give their Woodstock a listen :)
It reminds me that I have still to get the CD version... Before the
Flood, as well. :)
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I helped knock on doors for Obama in NH.
We had no signs or name tags and first approached folks asking them
about the election. Our job was to find undecided voters. Man were
republicans bitter and democrats were so friendly, the contrast was
huge. And this was during the time McCain was AHEAD.
MrSinatra;358268 Wrote:
i would point out that the USA had to fix the problems in europes
backyard in bosnia, and we get little credit for that. where is nato
in afghanistan?
also, i just want to correct one thing above, the USA absolutely did
NOT sell saddam WMDs. others may have, but
Themis;358277 Wrote:
You see, that's *exactly* the problem with USA foreign policy : it
decides in place of other nations what is good and what is bad for
them. That's why everybody detests it. ;)
We have our own choices and decisions, we don't need your intervention
on it. And no other
Themis;358203 Wrote:
In Greece we hate American foreign policies since WW2. We've always
found them unfair, anti-democratic, and against simple peoples'
interests everywhere in the world. And more particularly in our (greek)
neighborhood.
Nevertheless, we have a big respect for American
MrSinatra;358273 Wrote:
i would like to know what greece has a problem with, especially
considering that without us, you'd have been communist for 60 years
You see, that's *exactly* the problem with USA foreign policy : it
decides in place of other nations what is good and what is bad for
pippin;358330 Wrote:
No, I'm not.
He's an elected president. Several times re-elected. The vote has even
been fair.
thats just laughable.
do you consider the russian elections fair as well?
do you consider it a fair election when there is no free press?
pippin;358330 Wrote:
I don't like
I promised you change you can believe in, I did not promise you change
you can actually see.
He added: You believe in Jesus don't you? Right, but have you ever
seen Jesus? Exactly. Just making sure we're all on the same page.
MrSinatra;358324 Wrote:
wait a minute, you are claiming HUGO CHAVEZ as an example of a
democratic gov't??? are you kidding?
No, I'm not.
He's an elected president. Several times re-elected. The vote has even
been fair. I don't like him either, but he DOES have the support of his
people.
He
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pippin;357730 Wrote:
Well, then let me share my outsider's view:
When I first visited the US, back in 91, what I saw was a run-down
country. I'd been in eastern Europe a bit the years before (Poland,
Eastern Germany, Hungaria, then Czechoslovakia) and what I saw in the
US in terms of
Nonreality;357791 Wrote:
Pippen they carry water with me. When someone always blames the other
side it's time to take care. I'm really hoping the blame game stops
and we start working things out here. It's possible but only if we let
go of ideology and start fixing things the right way.
illegal war?
tell me, whats a legal war?
saddam broke the terms of the 91 armistice, that made what we did
legal at least in terms of the armistice.
as to the wmds, which is it? is bush a master-criminal villain who
duped the world for his own gain, or is he the idiot who can't speak
MrSinatra;357815 Wrote:
tell me, whats a legal war?
Well there is a thing called the geneva convention, but you have a good
point regarding international law and it's abstractness. However, there
is a difference when you start a war on a country that has not attacked
you.
MrSinatra;357815
86atc250r;357725 Wrote:
I love this argument - If Bush was as corrupt as many of you seem to
believe, we *WOULD* have found WMD's, doesn't take a genius to think
that one through. Comparing his administration to Nazi Germany is as
ignorant as it is insulting for all of us on this side of
pippin;357823 Wrote:
as I said, it was the impression I got. I am very well aware that
impressions don't always fit reality in every detail. Here in Berlin,
for example, they solved the problem of too many homeless people
lurking around in public places by simply pushing them out of the city
Goodsounds;357768 Wrote:
Hi Pippin,
I found your outsider's perspectives interesting - thanks for sharing
them.
Much of the 90s coincided with the upstroke of the business cycle.
Especially the second half, which also included the dot com bubble.
Little or none of this is affected by
MrSinatra;357779 Wrote:
i'm sorry, but your 'impressions' of things really carry no water.
people were homeless in 91 but not 96 or 98? i don't think ANYTHING
changed for the homeless, and still hasn't.
anyone here can tell you that the country changed dramatically in the
80s. carter
Pippin,
Thanks again for your comments. Perhaps to surprise you, I was an Obama
supporter and I am very happy about his victory. I worry a bit that his
party's hardliners not have too much of an influence, but I trust his
judgement at the helm.
Also, perhaps to surprise you, I read that
MrSinatra;357815 Wrote:
tell me, whats a legal war?
That was probably a hypothetical question, but here's a real although
greatly simplified answer. International law is comprised of
treaties signed by various countries around the world. Basically if a
country signs a treaty promising not do
NFLnut;357556 Wrote:
Douglas McArthur.
What! Not Eisenhower... :-)
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CatBus;357979 Wrote:
That was probably a hypothetical question, but here's a real although
greatly simplified answer. International law is comprised of
treaties signed by various countries around the world. Basically if a
country signs a treaty promising not do perform action X, and then
autopilot;357826 Wrote:
Well there is a thing called the geneva convention, but you have a good
point regarding international law and it's abstractness. However, there
is a difference when you start a war on a country that has not attacked
you.
I am another U.S. business owner, and the election of Obama has given me
great concerns .. in addition to the economic slowdown .. about whether
I should expand my business or no (as I planned to do) and even whether
I can keep my current employees, knowing the impending Obama changes.
Pure
I was looking at some of the details about what groups voted for which
candidate.
White males gave a majority to McCain.
But more white males voted for Obama than for any of the last five
Democratic candidates.
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NFLnut wrote:
I am another U.S. business owner, and the election of Obama has given me
great concerns .. in addition to the economic slowdown .. about whether
I should expand my business or no (as I planned to do) and even whether
I can keep my current employees, knowing the impending Obama
Mitch Harding;357380 Wrote:
I voted for Obama, but not because he is black. There was no way I
could
vote for McCain given his chosen running mate (she seems nice enough,
but
she did not seem remotely qualified to be President). My ideals line
up
much closer with the Green party than
pablolie;357385 Wrote:
and whether obama is black, white or green with pink stripes does not
matter an ounce - his reelection will be contingent on his track record
in trying to overcome 8 years of self-serving pillaging of the country's
resouces by the previous gang in power...
I will
peter;357458 Wrote:
NFLnut wrote:
I am another U.S. business owner, and the election of Obama has given
me
great concerns .. in addition to the economic slowdown .. about
whether
I should expand my business or no (as I planned to do) and even
whether
I can keep my current employees,
NFLnut wrote:
peter;357458 Wrote:
NFLnut wrote:
I am another U.S. business owner, and the election of Obama has given
me
great concerns .. in addition to the economic slowdown .. about
whether
I should expand my business or no (as I planned to do) and even
MrSinatra;357376 Wrote:
frankly, i could care less what color someone is running for office
Hopefully you meant *couldn't*
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NFLnut;357453 Wrote:
I FEAR what he will do to our economy .. even to the possible
nationalization of businesses.
Bush has already nationalized some banks, so it's not exclusively an
Obama thing. Even 'Comrade' Obama is not going to go around
nationalizing perfectly good businesses
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pippin;357477 Wrote:
OK, so let us Europeans discuss about the US elections :-)
I've got some nice outside views on that issue, too.
And what wrong with that, when US politics have such a massive global
impact? We can't vote, yet it has a huge impact on us. If some people
dont care what
Nonreality;356882 Wrote:
Let's all hope the best for the USA shall we, and a lot of good music.
:)
I think when I started this thread I just wanted the world to hope for
the best for us and in turn the best for them. I sure do. I hope you
do too.
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pippin;357478 Wrote:
How about this one:
It's my experience (and I can provide ample evidence in favor of that
argument), that it's always the conservatives who call for financial
prudence and the liberals who have it.
Not a US thing, same here in Germany. 16 years of conservative
Peter - i don't understand why you can't just ignore the thread. If you
have no interest thats cool - dont click on the single small text link
and you wont see it. But you do and you seem to be following it too,
getting involved are start telling everyone what they can and cant talk
about where -
pippin;357473 Wrote:
And what would McCain have been without his age peer group?
Bad tongues say that's people who don't have to care about the future
because they have none... :-)
I think this thread should be closed, it's really nothing to do with
audio, right?
Yeah close the thread -
pippin;357477 Wrote:
OK, so let us Europeans discuss about the US elections :-)
I've got some nice outside views on that issue, too.
How about this one:
It's my experience (and I can provide ample evidence in favor of that
argument), that it's always the conservatives who call for financial
NFLnut;357453 Wrote:
In fact, if it weren't for the majority 18-29 year olds who voted for
him, McCain (who wasn't my first choice for Republican candidate but
still better than Obama) would be our President elect.
And what would McCain have been without his age peer group?
Bad tongues say
It was getting a little tight under that rock so I peeked out and looky
what happened.
Just kidding, but I tend to agree, politics and religion should only be
discussed by mature, reasonable, even tempered people. That pretty much
leaves everyone out, but me :-)
Regardless of political
Howard Passman;357479 Wrote:
P.S. It does say General Discussion. So whose your favorite General?
Douglas McArthur.
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Khuli;357469 Wrote:
Bush has already nationalized some banks, so it's not exclusively an
Obama thing. Even 'Comrade' Obama is not going to go around
nationalizing perfectly good businesses
I'm not going to say much (any?) more on this topic on this forum,
because like Peter, I agree
autopilot;357485 Wrote:
And what wrong with that, when US politics have such a massive global
impact? We can't vote, yet it has a huge impact on us. If some people
dont care what anyone else around the world thinks then thats their
choice. Bit of a sweeping statement i know, but its always
egd;357480 Wrote:
So, when does George Bush go on trial? Weapons of mass destruction my
ass!
He's passed regulations that forbid himself or any of his staff from
prosecution. If only the Nazi's did that, they'd have gotten away scot
free at the Nuremberg Trials.
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autopilot wrote:
Peter - i don't understand why you can't just ignore the thread. If you
have no interest thats cool - dont click on the single small text link
and you wont see it. But you do and you seem to be following it too,
getting involved are start telling everyone what they can and
pippin;357473 Wrote:
And what would McCain have been without his age peer group?
Bad tongues say that's people who don't have to care about the future
because they have none... :-)
Agreed. But I also know that when I was 18-29, I didn't understand a
whole lot (especially at the lower end
The election was a complete non-issue, a distracting dog-and-pony show.
Will anything really change? Obama voted for the unconstitutional
banking bailout and for unconstitutional warrantless wiretapping. Will
ObamAmerica continue to kidnap and torture in violation of American and
NFLnut;357562 Wrote:
Agreed. But I also know that when I was 18-29, I didn't understand a
whole lot (especially at the lower end of that scale) about
macroeconomics, nor how to balance a spreadsheet, or how to stay up
late at night worrying that my small business can meet payroll during
Goodsounds;357569 Wrote:
Don't get too carried away believing the sloganeering, my friend. The
last two major conservative administrations, Reagan and Bush 2, have
been anything but conservative in failing to control spending and
balance the federal budget. Today's leading conservative
NFLnut;357556 Wrote:
Douglas McArthur.
I think you'd have a different view if you read American Caesar, by
Manchester. The guy had a very flawed and bizarre view of himself and
the world around him.
I vote for Eisenhower - heck, they even named a street for him in
Paris. That's saying
Pale Blue Ego;357574 Wrote:
I always ask economists this question...
What is money?
I'm very far removed from the theoretical stuff, but I think the book
answer is that money is a medium of exchange, that has value only if
people agree that it does and agree to use it. Otherwise, it's
Goodsounds;357575 Wrote:
I'm very far removed from the theoretical stuff, but I think the book
answer is that money is a medium of exchange, that has value only if
people agree that it does and agree to use it. Otherwise, it's nothing
at all. Its use evolved to avoid the inconvenience and
Goodsounds;357569 Wrote:
I'm also a businessman, with a degree in economics.
I always ask economists this question...
What is money?
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Pale Blue Ego;357576 Wrote:
..Unfortunately, modern economics treats debt as money and money as
debt...
This is a bit of a nonsensical comment. Economics exists in books and
academia, not really anywhere else. The Fed, governments, etc make
decisions based on politics and hoped for outcomes
Pale Blue Ego;357567 Wrote:
The election was a complete non-issue, a distracting dog-and-pony show.
As a cynical old fart, I must agree with you.
After the collapse of the USSR, there were some wonderful election
stories about their first real elections: they had some clever rules.
In
autopilot;357476 Wrote:
Yeah close the thread - just as long as i get my say in first ;)
But i thought this was a General discussion forum? Where is the rule
that says its only about Audio (which is well catered for in the other
subforums, including new ones).
OK, so let us Europeans
peter;357484 Wrote:
I predicted the ensuing discussion will
be superficial
Peoples opinions are their opinions, i would not go around telling
every their opinions are superficial - just as valid an anyone elses,
regardless of political leaning.
peter;357484 Wrote:
and probably end
Goodsounds;357580 Wrote:
Markets affect markets, not policies, theories, or governments.
You're saying the free market always prevails over all attempts to
control it? I would tend to agree in concept, EXCEPT that the period
of time between the manipulation and the market correction can be
snarlydwarf;357582 Wrote:
.
The huge irony is that despite all the talk about health care and
prescription drug costs for the last 20 years, the single most
important force in saving consumers money on drugs has been... Walmart
and the effect it had on their competitors to negotiate
Pale Blue Ego;357590 Wrote:
You're saying the free market always prevails over all attempts to
control it? I would tend to agree in concept, EXCEPT that the period
of time between the manipulation and the market correction can be many
decades. Certainly during that time, the policies,
Goodsounds;357596 Wrote:
Exactly to my point - markets are most affected by actions in the
market, not by governmental actions or policies.
Oh, I dunno, -bad- government policies typically have an effect.
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Goodsounds;357600 Wrote:
These comments sound like survivalist/conspiracy theorist stuff, is that
where you're coming from?
No, I'm coming from traditional and sound money policy. There was a
time not very long ago when the U.S. was the world's largest creditor,
now we are the largest
NFLnut;357562 Wrote:
worry if my investments for retirement have lost 25% of their value in 3
months (and counting). This is a reason that as we age, we tend often to
grow more Conservative.This scenario is only going to get worse as baby
boomers retire and
start accessing their 401Ks.
I can only recommend that you continue to read about and talk to a wide
range of opinions, and keep your eyes open. The situation is not as
complicated or as dire as you paint it. It seems that you have a fair
number of things confused and have an incomplete understanding of how
the pieces fit
Pale Blue Ego;357649 Wrote:
Conspiracy theory? No, simple facts. Our economic system is
unsustainable.
US presidents had better listened to Allen Greenspan:
under the gold standard, a free banking system stands as the protector
of an economy's stability and balanced growth... The
egd;357667 Wrote:
This scenario is only going to get worse as baby boomers retire and
start accessing their 401Ks.
How so?
egd;357667 Wrote:
This is not a problem created by Bush or Obama (no doubt he'll cop the
blame though), it goes back to switching from defined benefit to defined
Pale Blue Ego;357649 Wrote:
Conspiracy theory? No, simple facts. Our economic system is
unsustainabile.Got to say I agree with you with one exception - the model is
sustainable so long as market participants retain faith in the system.
The current debacle is what happens when they realise
Goodsounds;357677 Wrote:
I'm not sure how any government had any influence on this. What do you
have in mind?before we get into another Linux/Windows type circular exchange
let's
presume for a second that you're not alone in having successfully
completed postgraduate studies in the finance
egd;357682 Wrote:
1 question - who introduced mandatory pension schemes and wrote the
rules around pension funds and 401K's and equivalents - governments or
companies?
I think the literal answer to your question is no one, because there
are no such rules. Neither pension plans (how defined
pippin;357478 Wrote:
How about this one:
It's my experience (and I can provide ample evidence in favor of that
argument), that it's always the conservatives who call for financial
prudence and the liberals who have it.
that may be the case in germany, i have no idea.
its certainly not the
Goodsounds;357573 Wrote:
I think you'd have a different view if you read American Caesar, by
Manchester. The guy had a very flawed and bizarre view of himself and
the world around him.
I vote for Eisenhower - heck, they even named a street for him in
Paris. That's saying something!
egd;357667 Wrote:
This scenario is only going to get worse as baby boomers retire and
start accessing their 401Ks. This is not a problem created by Bush or
Obama (no doubt he'll cop the blame though), it goes back to switching
from defined benefit to defined contribution pensions. The next
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