Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-31 Thread Wesley Parish
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:06, Lars D. Noodén wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Daniel Carrera wrote: [snip] Microsoft is not claiming patents on any processes necessary to read or write .doc files. They just keep the format closed, change it on every release, and leave you to guess how it works.

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Wesley Parish
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:01, Caleb Marcus wrote: Burn it to a CD, post it to your website... if you are a programmer, you can even change it. I've been getting a part-time volunteer worker in our Community Centre's cybercaf/community computer training centre to use OO.org, and recently burnt

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Wesley Parish
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:51, Henrik Sundberg wrote: 2005/10/29, Timothy Stockdale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Greetings, Thanks for your product. I was just wondering whether or not this is completely legal. Even using it to open certain Microsoft files? (Word, Powerpoint, Excel) I'm also

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Henrik Sundberg
But if this reversed engineering is completely legal, why should the license attached to MS Open XML format make it GPL incompatible? I suppose it is a lot easier to reversely engineer XML-files than doc files. Is the completely closed doc-format somehow more open than MSO XML? (I do have

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Sunday, October 30, 2005 Henrik Sundberg wrote: But if this reversed engineering is completely legal, why should the license attached to MS Open XML format make it GPL incompatible? http://www.microsoft.com/office/xml/licenseoverview.mspx In particular

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Henrik Sundberg
Yes, I think I understand this. But I don't understand why the doc-formats are of no concern. Can doc-filters be GPL:ed? Why? Are they licensed with more freedom? If reversed engineering is allowed in this case, how could any format license be legally valid? /$ 2005/10/30, Giuseppe Bilotta

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Henrik Sundberg wrote: Yes, I think I understand this. But I don't understand why the doc-formats are of no concern. Can doc-filters be GPL:ed? Why? Are they licensed with more freedom? Microsoft is not claiming patents on any processes necessary to read or write .doc files. They just keep

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Henrik Sundberg
Aah, got it! Thanks! No worries then. I just don't trust MS that much. I wanted to get convinced that there are no doc format litigations around the corner. I think it's time for me to sign that open document petition. /$ 2005/10/30, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Henrik Sundberg wrote:

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Daniel Carrera wrote: [snip] Microsoft is not claiming patents on any processes necessary to read or write .doc files. They just keep the format closed, change it on every release, and leave you to guess how it works. [snip] It was my understanding that the company has sw

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
It's legal, but may I ask what prompts you to ask? There must be some origin for the doubt. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Fri, 28

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-29 Thread Jonathon Blake
Timothy wrote: whether or not this is completely legal. It is legal to use. You can also sell, or give away as many copies as you want to. xan joanthon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-29 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Saturday, October 29, 2005 Jonathon Blake wrote: Timothy wrote: whether or not this is completely legal. It is legal to use. You can also sell, or give away as many copies as you want to. In fact, I would say you are *encouraged* to give away copies. Spread the word. It's extremely

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-29 Thread Henrik Sundberg
2005/10/29, Timothy Stockdale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Greetings, Thanks for your product. I was just wondering whether or not this is completely legal. Even using it to open certain Microsoft files? (Word, Powerpoint, Excel) I'm also uncertain. Is the reversed engineering ,used to construct the

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-29 Thread Caleb Marcus
Burn it to a CD, post it to your website... if you are a programmer, you can even change it. There is nothing illegal about opening Word files in OpenOffice.org. Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: Saturday, October 29, 2005 Jonathon Blake wrote: Timothy wrote: whether or not this is

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-29 Thread Caleb Marcus
I don't think so, but I am not a lawyer. What I do know is that MANY commercial and non-commercial (like this one) programs can do it, and they still exist. The software isn't illegal, and you don't have to use the Microsoft formats. In fact, unless you need to send files to someone else, use

[discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-28 Thread Timothy Stockdale
Greetings, Thanks for your product. I was just wondering whether or not this is completely legal. Even using it to open certain Microsoft files? (Word, Powerpoint, Excel) Just checking, this saves a good deal of money for the average person, rather than buying Microsoft Office. I just want to