RE: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Yishay Mor
yes - tell your friends to take a break. i'm sure there's some research out there that proves this, but my experience says that you can't normaly think hard for 3 hours strait, and you need a break. preferably, away from the computer. my rule is 10 min per hour. make yourself a cup of tea, do

RE: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Walter Milner
Lots of reasons why 1.5 hours is of little use. One is risk of RSI. Another is proactive and retroactive inhibition of memory. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Babar AbbasSent: 27 October 2005 03:46To: discuss@ppig.orgSubject: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting

RE: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread John Sturdy
Carl == Carl Chilley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good points re the memory issues. Add to this the superman syndrome and this is pressing reason enough to partition your work time slots and breaks. Carl Superman syndrome. Idea from the 80s whereby you have a full size cardboard cut-out of

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Jon Fairbairn
On 2005-10-27 at 14:53BST John Sturdy wrote: Carl == Carl Chilley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Superman syndrome. Idea from the 80s whereby you have a full size cardboard cut-out of Superman standing behind you, over one of your shoulders. This is the one I knew as the Rubber plant effect, in

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Robin Jeffries
I think you underestimate the impact of the rubber plant. I used to talk about my problems (debugging ones) to friends who were mildly tech savvy -- at least analytic -- and those who were english majors. I found that even if the person didn't say anything/much, I got better results from the

RE: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Lindsay Marshall
The rubber plant Dijkstra stood in room 208 of the Computer Laboratory, a room with about eight PhD students in it, including Stuart Wray (I think it was his plant, but am not sure) and myself. While we were fond of invoking The expert programmer effect and the /idea/ of talking to

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Jon Fairbairn
On 2005-10-27 at 16:41BST Lindsay Marshall wrote: The rubber plant Dijkstra stood in room 208 of the Computer Laboratory, [...] The really interesting question is what effect did listening to programmers going on about their problems have on the plant? I'm sure it enjoyed the warm, damp,

PPIG discuss: Talking to plants

2005-10-27 Thread Enda Dunican
I wish my previous post had stimulated such extensive discussion! Obviously sitting on chairs and talking to plants and fluffy toys is far more interesting ;)

RE: PPIG discuss: Talking to plants

2005-10-27 Thread Carl Chilley
Or maybe it just indicates the repressed social needs of what can be a lonely profession? Or simply a boys toys thing where the toys are less macho than the norm? Or because it is easier to talk in anecdotes than engage in intellectual debate? Sigh Carl From: [EMAIL

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Frank Wales
On 10/27/05 16:19, Carl Chilley wrote: Sadly I have to confess I never had a cardboard cut-out of anything At my first place of work, we had a full-sized cardboard Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry, complete with .44 Magnum, in our relatively small computer room. I don't recall any programmer

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Sean Heber
On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Frank Wales wrote: Perhaps because I'm an only child, I'm in the odd habit of holding a conversation with myself when working on a problem, in which I play both sides of the I don't understand why this doesn't work/ Well, that clearly can't work because of *this*

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Babar Abbas
but my experience says that you can't normaly think hard for 3 hours strait, and you need a break. yes, true, I worked in bachelors in antisocial mode, in the last 2 years, what happened, got burned out. But the antisocial mode helps when you are stuck analytically in something reallyhard and

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Frank Wales
On 10/27/05 18:05, Sean Heber wrote: On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Frank Wales wrote: Perhaps because I'm an only child, I'm in the odd habit of holding a conversation with myself when working on a problem, in which I play both sides of the I don't understand why this doesn't work/ Well, that

RE: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Lindsay Marshall
Here's a suggestion: have you tried *standing* while you work? Famous standers include : George Bernard Shaw, Donald Rumsfeld and Radio 1 DJ Chris Moyles. There has been a lot of discussion about working standing on various weblogs recently. L.

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Bjorn Reese
Carl Chilley wrote: *Superman syndrome*. Idea from the 80s whereby you have a full size cardboard cut-out of Superman standing behind you, over one of your shoulders. Whenever you get a problem, you explain what it is to Superman (the cut-out) and, in the vast majority of cases you then see a