PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Daniel Scrivener
In recent years I have been involved in teaching both Java (for the Sun Certified Java Programmer exam) and life-drawing. This has included after-work life-drawing classes attended by people working in largely technical / analytical jobs. Life-drawing is an intensive creative activity, which

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Alan Blackwell
Over the years I have encouraged students to go off and learn to draw, though have never integrated it as part of a course : the hard problem I would predict would be overcoming people's reluctance to actually draw. People are often convinced that they can't draw and are reluctant to

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Lindsay Marshall
Lindsay is right - pencil anxiety is a big problem for computer scientists when you ask them to pick one up in a public place. I've encountered this even with groups of senior HCI researchers, who are completely unable to sketch a proposal for a user interface when given a pencil and paper.

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Lindsay Marshall
How about a whiteboard? Does that hold the same horror for them? The horror is performing in public I think. Look how nervous people most people are at doing presentations. A white board would be even worse! I have some ideas for using tablet PCs that might work for this though - I'll try them

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Frank Wales
On 02/06/2006 04:49 PM, Lindsay Marshall wrote: The horror is performing in public I think. Look how nervous people most people are at doing presentations. A white board would be even worse! These days, I don't believe I would hire a software developer who couldn't stand at a whiteboard and

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Daniel Scrivener
All, thanks for your comments, and your encouragement. Alan, I will take a look at your published work and may well take you up on your offer of assistance. With regard to the question of drawing confidence, I agree this could be a problem - it is a terrifying experience to attempt a new and

Re: PPIG discuss: Loop Bounds and Errors

2006-02-06 Thread Nevin Liber
On 31/01/06, Lindsay Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would always write (limit-i) 0 since I don't trust compilers and their damn precedence rules. If you don't trust compilers, how can you trust that it gets it any more correct by adding parentheses? Any compiler that can't get