Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS -- You Can Vote Now!

Hey Martin, Is there anyway for us to see results in real time before the official closure and announcement? Rich On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Martin Braun wrote: > Hi everyone, > > new names for PyBOMBS are up for vote now at: > > http://goo.gl/forms/nUfCOZWCY2 >

[Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS -- You Can Vote Now!

Hi everyone, new names for PyBOMBS are up for vote now at: http://goo.gl/forms/nUfCOZWCY2 This includes most names that were suggested on the list, and some that were suggested in #gnuradio (the latter had a higher ratio of questionable suggestions...). However, I subtracted all the names that

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

There's nothing 'wrong', but PyBOMBS does something else. - The standard packagers can only install what someone has packaged (usually quite outdated), and most of them only install to the system - Installing out-of-tree modules doesn't work except for some, on some packagers - You often want to

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Let's not get derailed -- this thread is about finding a new name for PyBOMBS, or keeping the old one. The name doesn't have to be an acronym, either. I don't know what 'pip' stands for, I'm not even sure 'yum' stands for anything, and 'emerge' is just a nice word that describes what it's doing.

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Martin Braun wrote: > > The name doesn't have to be an acronym, either. I don't know what 'pip' > stands for, I'm not even sure 'yum' stands for anything, and 'emerge' is > just a nice word that describes what it's doing. Something that

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On 23/12/15 23:28, Marcus Müller wrote: > In a perfect world. > > In a world where we actually live in, everything but Ubuntu 15.10 uses > horribly, horribly outdated UHD, which, as you can imagine, leads to > terrible headaches on my side. Not even accounting for the fact that the > package

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

I'd like to throw in another point from an entry level perspective. Those people who might need pybombs most, are those who need names that tell them what it's for the most. Even if it is incorrect to call pybombs an installer, it would really help the entry level folks (which I would claim

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Totally agreed. I think this is a really important point. It is very helpful to have a unique Googleable name, especially for beginners. On 23 December 2015 at 10:16, Tim O'Shea wrote: > IMO it is generally nice to have a > ​​ > unique googleable name for an application

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Yeah I should have clarified that. I tried the full package manager route of install about 2 years ago for gnuradio and uhd. It didn't work. I installed uhd through apt-get and gnuradio through apt-get with no success. I'm just bringing that up so we don't assume that is an easy possibility for

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On 23.12.2015 09:28, Stefan Wunsch wrote: > I don't want to destroy your idea, but GRAB sounds like CRAP as well and > you can think of the associated sentences ;) 'grab' is also a very common english verb, so I think people would be able to distinguish. It also sounds like 'crab' if you like :)

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Is there a way for a new user to get uhd installed from the package manager though? A lot of people want to dive right into gnu radio with hardware, doing simple things like spectrum analysis. I'm not aware of a way of getting the uhd + gnuradio setup running that's easier then pybombs. I very

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

I don't want to destroy your idea, but GRAB sounds like CRAP as well and you can think of the associated sentences ;) On 12/22/2015 09:31 PM, Richard Bell wrote: > GRAB = Gnu RAdio Basic installer > > Then we can say things like "Go GRAB it" when referring to a needed module > > On Tue, Dec 22,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Most new users should be installing gnu radio binaries via their os package manager repos or ppa. Pybombs should be used for 1. Helping get up to date oot modules set up and deployed ( like pip ) and 2. Helping developers set up their development environment. So I'm not sure installer is the

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Ubuntu packages uhd Assuming other oses do too I'm sure there are up to date ppas somewhere too On Wed, Dec 23, 2015, 1:34 PM Richard Bell wrote: > Is there a way for a new user to get uhd installed from the package > manager though? A lot of people want to dive right

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

IMO it is generally nice to have a unique googleable name for an application which doesn't result in five trillion unrelated Google results. While short acronyms will have false positives, names like "grab" or any standard English words are generally bad choices from this point of view Grpm and

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Yeah I see alot of people on the hackrf and usrp lists using or recommending pybombs for GR setup for new people. Despite that maybe not being the intent, people are using it for that purpose, since its maintained pretty well unlike all of the other build scripts and such people have published

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

I agree with Tim, the tool is not gnuradio specific, and I personally dont think it needs to be locked to gnuradio and have a "gr" in the name anywhere and uniquely searchable is a must. I'm a big fan of the original name. Otherwise: PySIS - Pybombs Software Installer System. On Wed, Dec 23,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Richard is very right, most new users installed GnuRadio + other tools via PyBombs, and not via gnuradio binaries, etc., since other means of installation proved out to be quite difficult, well, at least for myself. After some tries of difficult installs via binaries I switched to Pybombs and did

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

In a perfect world. In a world where we actually live in, everything but Ubuntu 15.10 uses horribly, horribly outdated UHD, which, as you can imagine, leads to terrible headaches on my side. Not even accounting for the fact that the package naming, for historical reasons, isn't always

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On 12/23/2015 01:43 PM, Richard Bell wrote: > Yeah I should have clarified that. I tried the full package manager route > of install about 2 years ago for gnuradio and uhd. It didn't work. I > installed uhd through apt-get and gnuradio through apt-get with no success. > > I'm just bringing that

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On 22.12.2015 12:31, Tim wrote: >> - The name suggests a Python-related packages (like Pylint, PyPI...) >> rather than a GNU Radio-related tool > it doesn’t really need to be gnu radio specific -- > it was written to work with any such light weight recipes that follow > standard git/cmake or other

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Martin, Excited to see pybombs2 emerging as stable ! A few thoughts on the naming below -- -Tim On 12/22/2015 03:10 PM, Martin Braun wrote: > There's been some demand to rename PyBOMBS, and now that we're > re-releasing it, this is a good time to think about it. Complaints about > the name

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

> Also, it doesn't *have* to be an acronym. Let's call it Bob. Cheers, Sylvain ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

The only strong opinion I have is an objection to the substring "rpm" due to potential confusion with existing RPM installation utilities. GRAB is nice. GRMM too. Other possibilities are GRIP/GRIM: GnuRadio Installation and Packages/Modules On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Tim

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

YABS - Yet Another Build System On 12/22/2015 03:37 PM, Chris Kuethe wrote: > The only strong opinion I have is an objection to the substring "rpm" due > to potential confusion with existing RPM installation utilities. > > GRAB is nice. GRMM too. > > Other possibilities are GRIP/GRIM: GnuRadio

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On 22.12.2015 12:31, Tim wrote: > personally in favour of something short and functional vs cutesy and > contrived (we already have one of those names) > three letter package managers seem to be relatively common practice in FOSS > > examples:apt, rpm, pip, gpm, npm, ... Also, it doesn't

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Also perhaps: GRIN = Gnu Radio INstaller On 22 December 2015 at 15:37, Martin Braun wrote: > Another suggestion from #gnuradio was 'grapple'. > > M > On 22 Dec 2015 15:12, "Neel Pandeya" wrote: > >> My vote would be for one of these: >> >>

[Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

There's been some demand to rename PyBOMBS, and now that we're re-releasing it, this is a good time to think about it. Complaints about the name include: - It may or may not be true that people have been detained by TSA for working on PyBOMBS at the airport[1] - The name suggests a Python-related

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

I like GRPM - GnuRadio Package Manager. Can never remember what pybombs stands for anyway. On Dec 22, 2015 3:10 PM, "Martin Braun" wrote: > There's been some demand to rename PyBOMBS, and now that we're > re-releasing it, this is a good time to think about it. Complaints

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Another suggestion from #gnuradio was 'grapple'. M On 22 Dec 2015 15:12, "Neel Pandeya" wrote: > My vote would be for one of these: > > GRPM = GnuRadio Package Manager > > GRAB = Gnu RAdio Basic installer > > GRBI = Gnu Radio Basic Installer > > I agree with Tim O'Shea,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

My vote would be for one of these: GRPM = GnuRadio Package Manager GRAB = Gnu RAdio Basic installer GRBI = Gnu Radio Basic Installer I agree with Tim O'Shea, the name should be something short and functional, and give an idea of what it does, instead of being cutesy and contrived. --Neel

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Dear all, I would like to suggest the overall description in abbreviation: GR.PY.SYS - GnuRadio Pyton System Easy to Remember. Pronounce. One syllable. Name raises the level (of already excellent content) ... Sincerely, Iluta On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Chris Kuethe

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Richard Bell wrote: > GRAB = Gnu RAdio Basic installer > > Then we can say things like "Go GRAB it" when referring to a needed module > +1. Short, not used by any other project, pronounceable. It could also stand for GNU Radio

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Python build overlay managed bundle system On Tue, Dec 22, 2015, 4:47 PM Donald Pupecki wrote: > I like GRPM - GnuRadio Package Manager. > > Can never remember what pybombs stands for anyway. > On Dec 22, 2015 3:10 PM, "Martin Braun" wrote: > >>

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

Cutesy acronym grumblings aside on this one, If all you wanted to do was install gnu radio, apt, rpm, our emerge would do. IMO pybombs seems more about indexing, installing, setting up development environments, and updating out of tree modules - "grin" implied scope is a small subset thereof On

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

GRAB = Gnu RAdio Basic installer Then we can say things like "Go GRAB it" when referring to a needed module On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Martin Braun wrote: > There's been some demand to rename PyBOMBS, and now that we're > re-releasing it, this is a good time to

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Renaming PyBOMBS

On Dec 22, 2015 8:31 PM, "Tim" gmail.com > wrote: > > Martin, > Excited to see pybombs2 emerging as stable ! > A few thoughts on the naming below -- > -Tim > > On 12/22/2015 03:10 PM, Martin Braun wrote: > > There's been some demand