Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Hi Martin, hi all, I'm sorry for delayed replies. That's not because I don't care - I just have very tight schedule at this moment. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:04, Martin Braun martin.br...@kit.edu wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:50:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: Hi community, Hi

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 22:29, Michael Dickens m...@alum.mit.edu wrote: Hi Alexander - I think Martin Tom covered that GNU Radio is quite capable of being programmed for the basic receiver processing.  You might need to play around a bit with your DSP blocks, but otherwise I think GNU Radio's

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 23:21, Jeff Brower jbro...@signalogic.com wrote: Michael- Hi Alexander - I think Martin Tom covered that GNU Radio is quite capable of being programmed for the basic receiver processing.  You might need to play around a bit with your DSP blocks, but otherwise I think

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 18:10, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: On 26/05/2011 9:55 AM, Michael Dickens wrote: It would be great if you could share with the list example code snippets of how you do the pipes.  For example: Where in an online repository one can find such code. I think

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Anti-tivoization is one of main differences (but not the only), but it's about a different issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 05:14, Colby Boyer colby.bo...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't the main difference between v2 and v3 the Tivo Exception as the call it? Not

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Cool! It would be truly great to see a simplified example of this in the GnuRadio repository, and at least somehow mentioned on the wiki. Yes, I suppose it would. I'll put it on my list, but so many other things to do :-( The other trick that I use is to use the XMLRPC server stuff that Josh

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Hi community, On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 23:50, Alexander Chemeris alexander.cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi community, Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) approaches the moment when we should start writing C/C++ code - our Matlab model decodes broadcast messages

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 18:23, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: Cool! It would be truly great to see a simplified example of this in the GnuRadio repository, and at least somehow mentioned on the wiki. Yes, I suppose it would.  I'll put it on my list, but so many other things to do :-(

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Michael Dickens
On May 28, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Alexander Chemeris wrote: 5) How well is GnuRadio suited for real-time operation? In a general sense, yes, GNU Radio is well suited for real-time signal processing of data streams. That said: Real time is only meaningful knowing the performance criteria. What

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 19:38, Michael Dickens m...@alum.mit.edu wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Alexander Chemeris wrote: 5) How well is GnuRadio suited for real-time operation? In a general sense, yes, GNU Radio is well suited for real-time signal processing of data streams.  That

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Problem here is that FIFO's are not very well suited for real-time operation, IIRC. Have you tried a shared memory and shared signals across applications? It depends on what you mean by real time. Certainly FIFO I/O will be slower than intra-flowgraph ring buffers, but not so horribly

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Real-time is not about performance, but about predictability ;) I have to be sure that my flowgraph always executes before the deadline is hit. So everything that introduces jitter is a no-no. In general, Gnu Radio executes on general-purpose OSes, which means that there will *always* be

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 19:52, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: Problem here is that FIFO's are not very well suited for real-time operation, IIRC. Have you tried a shared memory and shared signals across applications? It depends on what you mean by real time.  Certainly FIFO I/O will

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 19:59, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: Real-time is not about performance, but about predictability ;) I have to be sure that my flowgraph always executes before the deadline is hit. So everything that introduces jitter is a no-no. In general, Gnu Radio

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Is there information about what is the biggest latency-injector in GnuRadio? Nearly all of the basic computational blocks are as blazing-fast as they can be on a general-purpose CPU. The biggest latency injector is the scheduler in general, and the buffer management part of that scheduler

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Almohanad Fayez
: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not? On May 28, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Alexander Chemeris wrote: 5) How well is GnuRadio suited for real-time operation? In a general sense, yes, GNU Radio is well suited for real-time signal processing of data streams. That said: Real

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
I thought the 1 thread execution scheduler was deprecated in gnuradio? al fayez You may still turn it off, but the TPB scheduling policy is now the default. -- Principal Investigator Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium http://www.sbrac.org

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Jeff Brower
Marcus- Alexander is asking excellent questions and I'm surprised at the tepid response -- he's got like 4 replies so far? He's the prototype GNU radio user who needs to maintain his group's IP, he should be receiving how to's, not INALs. -Jeff Actually, IANAL is a perfectly-valid response.

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Colby Boyer
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Jeff Brower jbro...@signalogic.com wrote: Marcus- Alexander is asking excellent questions and I'm surprised at the tepid response -- he's got like 4 replies so far? He's the prototype GNU radio user who needs to maintain his group's IP, he should be receiving

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech
How do the companies write closed-source drivers for the Linux Kernel without running into GPL2 issues? I can only recall that there is a user-land and a kernel-land driver, where the kernel-land is the only part that is open source. Is this correct? Perhaps that method could work well? I

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Colby Boyer
Isn't the main difference between v2 and v3 the Tivo Exception as the call it? Not sure. I guess I should add IANAL. TINLA. :P On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: How do the companies write closed-source drivers for the Linux Kernel without running into

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Jeff Brower
Colby- How do the companies write closed-source drivers for the Linux Kernel without running into GPL2 issues? I can only recall that there is a user-land and a kernel-land driver, where the kernel-land is the only part that is open source. Is this correct? Perhaps that method could work

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-26 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 26/05/2011 9:55 AM, Michael Dickens wrote: It would be great if you could share with the list example code snippets of how you do the pipes. For example: Where in an online repository one can find such code. I think that's what Jeff was getting at: that we are providing IANAL advice

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-25 Thread Michael Dickens
Hi Alexander - I think Martin Tom covered that GNU Radio is quite capable of being programmed for the basic receiver processing. You might need to play around a bit with your DSP blocks, but otherwise I think GNU Radio's data processing is up to the task. On May 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-25 Thread Jeff Brower
Michael- Hi Alexander - I think Martin Tom covered that GNU Radio is quite capable of being programmed for the basic receiver processing. You might need to play around a bit with your DSP blocks, but otherwise I think GNU Radio's data processing is up to the task. On May 23, 2011, at

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-25 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Alexander is asking excellent questions and I'm surprised at the tepid response -- he's got like 4 replies so far? He's the prototype GNU radio user who needs to maintain his group's IP, he should be receiving how to's, not INALs. -Jeff Actually, IANAL is a perfectly-valid response. IP

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-24 Thread Martin Braun
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:50:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: Hi community, Hi Alex, Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) approaches the moment when we should start writing C/C++ code - our Matlab model decodes broadcast messages from all recordings we

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-24 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Martin Braun martin.br...@kit.edu wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:50:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: Hi community, Hi Alex, Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) approaches the moment when we should start writing

[Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-23 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Hi community, Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) approaches the moment when we should start writing C/C++ code - our Matlab model decodes broadcast messages from all recordings we have on hands. At this point we have to make a choice - rely on GnuRadio or create