Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Eric Blossom
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 10:08:50PM -0600, Rick Parrish wrote: > John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > > >the use of AFSK with 1200 and 2200Hz tones is simply an artifact of that. > > Instead of toggling back-and-forth between two independent tone sources, > how hard would it be to create samples for a 12

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Rick Parrish
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: the use of AFSK with 1200 and 2200Hz tones is simply an artifact of that. Instead of toggling back-and-forth between two independent tone sources, how hard would it be to create samples for a 1200 hz tone spanning one symbol period where the initial phase was arbit

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Eric Blossom
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 10:07:21PM +0200, Matteo Campanella wrote: > yep, my fault to use the wrong name for it :-) > I am indeed working on the bits to symbol (nrzi) block right now, and > later on I am willing to do the HDLC block with flag, FCS and bit stuffing > in order to put up the following

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Matteo Campanella
yep, my fault to use the wrong name for it :-) I am indeed working on the bits to symbol (nrzi) block right now, and later on I am willing to do the HDLC block with flag, FCS and bit stuffing in order to put up the following chain: message_source->hdlc->nrzi->modulation->duc right now i am stuck

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Having been an innocent bystander here, I think I see a classic case of people talking past each other. Matteo, the 1200 baud modulation used in AX.25 packet radio uses BEL 202 tones, *but* the signal that's being provided to the modulator has been through an HDLC chip (or equivalent) that con

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! I suspect, (And correct me if I am wrong here Bob!) that he was getting some what annoyed by the questions. I strongly suggest that you pursue this idea away from the list. And when you've got an obvious question as to how it relates to the world of SDR then please contact us. That's my opin

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Matteo Campanella
I'm quite surprised by this response of yours, as it is not exactly aligned with the friendly style of the list - I know that to make things clear is more difficult than slamming doors, but I like it more. Maybe I am referring to the BELL 202 erroneously, because I am actually trying to implement

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Robert McGwier
Matteo: Normally I do not play the game this way but let me suggest that you do the following thing so we can get beyond this to give people the correct information. Open up Google. Type in BEL-202, hit enter. Please tell me WHOSE NAME and DSP assembler code you see on the first several en

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Matteo Campanella
100011010 should become 10 0 0 11 01 0 space-space,mark-mark,space-space,mark-mark-mark-mark,space-space-mark,space with the arbitrary decision on the first bit, that could be either space or mark, as there is no previous state. space is 120

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Robert McGwier
Bel 202 does NOT use Manchester encoding. The individual bits are NOT sent bilevel but opposite polarity. Bel 202 very much as energy at DC after demodulation which Manchester would eliminate. It does have differential encoding but that is not Manchester. 100011010. would be transmitt

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Eric Blossom
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 09:59:32AM +0200, Matteo Campanella wrote: > bell 202 coding requires to send a steady tone (mark or space depending on > the previous state) on 1 and a tone change on 0, so the tone change must > happen in the middle of a bit. > > in order to use a modulator I guess I shou

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-29 Thread Matteo Campanella
bell 202 coding requires to send a steady tone (mark or space depending on the previous state) on 1 and a tone change on 0, so the tone change must happen in the middle of a bit. in order to use a modulator I guess I should use a block to get a sequence of symbols that is twice as long as the bit

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-28 Thread Jeffrey Austen
I was just working on a similar project today. Attached is a file to generate fsk using the fm modulator function. You should be able to adapt it to your application. Jeff#!/usr/bin/env python # # python code for gnuradio # # generate a binary continuous-phase fsk (cpfsk) signal using pseudo-

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-28 Thread Eric Blossom
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 11:51:03PM +0200, Matteo Campanella wrote: > Hello, I am trying to find the best way to implement a bell 202 modem in > gnuradio. The problem I am facing is that I need to produce two tones, one > for mark and one for space, and I have to switch from one to other > depending

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-28 Thread Marcus Leech
Matteo Campanella wrote: Hello, I am trying to find the best way to implement a bell 202 modem in gnuradio. The problem I am facing is that I need to produce two tones, one for mark and one for space, and I have to switch from one to other depending on which symbol I am sending. The duration of t

[Discuss-gnuradio] bell 202 modulation

2006-03-28 Thread Matteo Campanella
Hello, I am trying to find the best way to implement a bell 202 modem in gnuradio. The problem I am facing is that I need to produce two tones, one for mark and one for space, and I have to switch from one to other depending on which symbol I am sending. The duration of the tone (or tone switch) mu