Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

Thanks all!

Let's see what happens...
If there's any progress, i'll post it here.


Kind regards,

Arie


Op 15-1-2017 om 18:06 schreef Marcus Müller:


Dear Arie,

this again stresses how important your role as customer is! Go, and 
write an honest email, maybe it's really all it takes to make SDRPlay 
reconsider licensing.


Best regards,

Marcus


On 15.01.2017 16:35, Geof Nieboer wrote:

Just to chime in to confirm,

SDRPlay support is not included in the windows build for 3.7.8.1 at 
this time.


As Marcus said, since this driver is not GPL compatible, it can not 
be directly included in the installer, so it's a low priority to 
consider.


Geof





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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Marcus Müller]

Dear Arie,

this again stresses how important your role as customer is! Go, and
write an honest email, maybe it's really all it takes to make SDRPlay
reconsider licensing.

Best regards,

Marcus


On 15.01.2017 16:35, Geof Nieboer wrote:
> Just to chime in to confirm, 
>
> SDRPlay support is not included in the windows build for 3.7.8.1 at
> this time.
>
> As Marcus said, since this driver is not GPL compatible, it can not be
> directly included in the installer, so it's a low priority to consider.
>
> Geof
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A  > wrote:
>
> Thanks for your advice guys.
>
> I will continue working on getting a solution for this.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arie
>
>
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Geof Nieboer]

Just to chime in to confirm,

SDRPlay support is not included in the windows build for 3.7.8.1 at this
time.

As Marcus said, since this driver is not GPL compatible, it can not be
directly included in the installer, so it's a low priority to consider.

Geof



On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A 
wrote:

> Thanks for your advice guys.
>
> I will continue working on getting a solution for this.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arie
>
>
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

Thanks for your advice guys.

I will continue working on getting a solution for this.

Kind regards,

Arie



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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Sylvain Munaut]

Hi,

> That is not good news. I'm not a software developper and 'API' and 'DLL'
> sound like  'magic' words to me.
> So as long as there's not a proper library for SDRPlay,  gnuradio will not
> work with this device.

Feel free to write to the hardware vendor and request open-source API
library / documentation so that this device can be supported in a
fully FOSS driver and distributed pre-built.

It's only if actual customers write and insist that this is important
to them that hardware vendors might do it ...


Cheers,

Sylvain

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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Marcus Müller]

Hi Arie,

well, as said, it's not that there is inherently no way to use SDRPlay
with gr-osmosdr, but the license of the SDRPlay software makes it
impossible to ship software doing that, so that option is disabled by
default.

You're still free to build things yourself with that option enabled, but
yes, you'd have to build it yourself, I don't see an easy way to give
you what you want (though I certainly see it the other way around than
you do – SDRPlay doesn't work with GNU Radio; that's not really GNU
Radio's fault).

It's currently much easier to build GNU Radio on Linux than on Windows,
and Linux Mint should do quite fine (it's largely Ubuntu, and we test
extensively against that). In fact, we have pretty much copy
command line instructions on how to do that. You'll need to install the
SDRPlay closed source binary behorehand, and then change one file before
you start the build process, but that should do it (haven't tested it,
though).

Best regards,

Marcus

On 01/13/2017 08:06 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Marcus,
>
> That is not good news. I'm not a software developper and 'API' and
> 'DLL' sound like  'magic' words to me.
> So as long as there's not a proper library for SDRPlay,  gnuradio will
> not work with this device.
>
> I also understand that GNUradio under Linux Mint will not work with
> SDRplay either?
>
> Best regards,
> Arie
>
>
> Op 13-1-2017 om 19:30 schreef Marcus Müller:
>>
>> Hi Arie,
>>
>> ah, ok, now that we know where you've got your windows installation
>> from:
>>
>> As far as I can read Geof's table, the gr-osmosdr component compiled
>> into that package does *not* have SDRPlay support. One would need to
>> re-build the library and link it against the SDRPlay API DLL to make
>> it work.
>>
>> So unless you want to take the big dive and compile that gr-osmosdr
>> DLL yourself (which I must admit I'd assume pretty much only Geof
>> could help you with, as I'm absolutely no expert on the build process
>> behind these binaries, I'm afraid), this won't work.
>>
>> As far as I understand (but I'm not a lawyer), the SDRPlay library is
>> closed source and hence can't be linked to GPL code (like GNU Radio
>> and gr-osmosdr) and then be distributed, so Geof's hands are tied here.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Marcus
>>
>


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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

Marcus,

That is not good news. I'm not a software developper and 'API' and 'DLL' 
sound like  'magic' words to me.
So as long as there's not a proper library for SDRPlay,  gnuradio will 
not work with this device.


I also understand that GNUradio under Linux Mint will not work with 
SDRplay either?


Best regards,
Arie


Op 13-1-2017 om 19:30 schreef Marcus Müller:


Hi Arie,

ah, ok, now that we know where you've got your windows installation from:

As far as I can read Geof's table, the gr-osmosdr component compiled 
into that package does *not* have SDRPlay support. One would need to 
re-build the library and link it against the SDRPlay API DLL to make 
it work.


So unless you want to take the big dive and compile that gr-osmosdr 
DLL yourself (which I must admit I'd assume pretty much only Geof 
could help you with, as I'm absolutely no expert on the build process 
behind these binaries, I'm afraid), this won't work.


As far as I understand (but I'm not a lawyer), the SDRPlay library is 
closed source and hence can't be linked to GPL code (like GNU Radio 
and gr-osmosdr) and then be distributed, so Geof's hands are tied here.


Best regards,
Marcus




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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Marcus Müller]

Hi Arie,

ah, ok, now that we know where you've got your windows installation from:

As far as I can read Geof's table, the gr-osmosdr component compiled
into that package does *not* have SDRPlay support. One would need to
re-build the library and link it against the SDRPlay API DLL to make it
work.

So unless you want to take the big dive and compile that gr-osmosdr DLL
yourself (which I must admit I'd assume pretty much only Geof could help
you with, as I'm absolutely no expert on the build process behind these
binaries, I'm afraid), this won't work.

As far as I understand (but I'm not a lawyer), the SDRPlay library is
closed source and hence can't be linked to GPL code (like GNU Radio and
gr-osmosdr) and then be distributed, so Geof's hands are tied here.

Best regards,
Marcus

On 01/13/2017 07:17 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>
> Hello Marcus, Martin,
>
> Thank you for your prompt response. Here's the story in short:
>
>
> My system: Windows 10 on a I7-6700 with lots of memory.
> I installed  GNURadio_3.7.10.1_win64 (for Windows) first.
> Osmocom-source is included that package.
> _Results:_ OK, I can make sounds by using an/internal /source in
> gnuradio,  etc.
>
> Then I installed the SDRUNO software (an SDR program for use with the
> SDRPlay). Then plugged in the SDRplay.
> _Result:_ Working OK, as it should. Good shortwave reception, as well
> as VHF.
>
> Making the last step: GNURadio and the SDRPlay hardware.
> No way I can make it work. The feedback from GNURadio is below. It
> seems that it cannot find the SDRPlay.
>
> I have visited many sites, including the one Marcus suggested,
> sdr.osmocom.org
> Despite the fact that it looks to me that's all about Linux (now very
> little of that) and not Windows, I found the words 'API driver for
> windows' and downloaded it from the SDRPlay site and installed it. 
> _Result:_ still not working.
>
> I'm stuck :(
> Hence my question.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arie
>
>
> -GNU RAdio
> report---
>
> /Generating: 'C:\\Users\\AW\\Desktop\\top_block.py'//
> //Executing: C:\Program Files\GNURadio-3.7\gr-python27\python.exe -u
> C:\Users\AW\Desktop\top_block.py//
> //
> //Win32; Microsoft Visual C++ version 14.0; Boost_106000;
> UHD_003.009.003-0-unknown//
> //
> //gr-osmosdr 164a09fc (0.1.5git) gnuradio 3.7.10.1//
> //built-in source types: file osmosdr fcd rtl rtl_tcp uhd hackrf
> bladerf airspy redpitaya //
> //
> //FATAL: No supported devices found to pick from.//
> //
> //Trying to fill up 1 missing channel(s) with null source(s).//
> //This is being done to prevent the application from crashing//
> //due to gnuradio bug #528.//
> //
> //gr::pagesize: no info; setting pagesize = 4096/
>
> -
>
> Op 13-1-2017 om 18:28 schreef Martin Braun:
>> Arie, can you please provide more info on your platform, what you've
>> tried so far, and how that failed. --
> from Marcus Müller:
>
> * What is your operating system?
> * How did you install GNU Radio and gr-osmosdr?
> * Are you aware of
> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/GrOsmoSDR#SDRplaySource ?

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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

Hello Marcus, Martin,

Thank you for your prompt response. Here's the story in short:


My system: Windows 10 on a I7-6700 with lots of memory.
I installed  GNURadio_3.7.10.1_win64 (for Windows) first. Osmocom-source 
is included that package.
_Results:_ OK, I can make sounds by using an/internal /source in 
gnuradio,  etc.


Then I installed the SDRUNO software (an SDR program for use with the 
SDRPlay). Then plugged in the SDRplay.
_Result:_ Working OK, as it should. Good shortwave reception, as well as 
VHF.


Making the last step: GNURadio and the SDRPlay hardware.
No way I can make it work. The feedback from GNURadio is below. It seems 
that it cannot find the SDRPlay.


I have visited many sites, including the one Marcus suggested, 
sdr.osmocom.org
Despite the fact that it looks to me that's all about Linux (now very 
little of that) and not Windows, I found the words 'API driver for 
windows' and downloaded it from the SDRPlay site and installed it.

_Result:_ still not working.

I'm stuck :(
Hence my question.


Kind regards,

Arie


-GNU RAdio 
report---


/Generating: 'C:\\Users\\AW\\Desktop\\top_block.py'//
//Executing: C:\Program Files\GNURadio-3.7\gr-python27\python.exe -u 
C:\Users\AW\Desktop\top_block.py//

//
//Win32; Microsoft Visual C++ version 14.0; Boost_106000; 
UHD_003.009.003-0-unknown//

//
//gr-osmosdr 164a09fc (0.1.5git) gnuradio 3.7.10.1//
//built-in source types: file osmosdr fcd rtl rtl_tcp uhd hackrf bladerf 
airspy redpitaya //

//
//FATAL: No supported devices found to pick from.//
//
//Trying to fill up 1 missing channel(s) with null source(s).//
//This is being done to prevent the application from crashing//
//due to gnuradio bug #528.//
//
//gr::pagesize: no info; setting pagesize = 4096/

-

Op 13-1-2017 om 18:28 schreef Martin Braun:
Arie, can you please provide more info on your platform, what you've 
tried so far, and how that failed. --

from Marcus Müller:

* What is your operating system?
* How did you install GNU Radio and gr-osmosdr?
* Are you aware of 
http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/GrOsmoSDR#SDRplaySource ?
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Martin Braun]

Arie,

can you please provide more info on your platform, what you've tried so
far, and how that failed.

-- M


On 01/13/2017 08:08 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to the group and not really a software-guy. But been in radio
> all my life and finally, in 2017, have the time to catch up on SDR. So I
> got playing around in GNUradio since December 2016.
> 
> Since this week I've started using a SDRplay as hardware and SDRUNO as
> software. Well that works allright. But to move on I want to  get the
> SDRplay to work with GNUradio (osmocom source). Up till now I was not
> succesful. Nor on Linux for that matter.
> 
> Is there something I missed?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Arie Kleingeld
> 
> 
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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNUradio not working with SDRplay in Windows10

[Marcus Müller]

Hi Arie!

Welcome to GNU Radio!
So, as the protocol demands (haha, as if!) I'll point you to the guided
tutorials: These should hopefully give you a nice introduction into a
couple of important GNU Radio concepts, if you're not aware of them yet.
If you are, they should still be a fun read :)!

http://tutorials.gnuradio.org

So, we'll need a bit more info from you to help:

* What is your operating system?
* How did you install GNU Radio and gr-osmosdr?
* Are you aware of
http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/GrOsmoSDR#SDRplaySource ?

Best regards,
Marcus


PS: You replied to another email thread, so your email was hidden at the
end of that thread in my mail client, and I nearly missed it! It's
important to not reply to emails that are in a thread that you don't
want to participate in; most mail clients have some kind of "threaded"
sorting so that discussions that aren't of interest to one can be safely
ignored. I "corrected" that by /not/ replying to your mail but writing a
new mail copy all the stuff over, so that you can now directly
reply without risking your mail getting stashed in the depths of a
completely unrelated thread :)

//
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to the group and not really a software-guy. But been in radio
> all my life and finally, in 2017, have the time to catch up on SDR. So
> I got playing around in GNUradio since December 2016.
>
> Since this week I've started using a SDRplay as hardware and SDRUNO as
> software. Well that works allright. But to move on I want to  get the
> SDRplay to work with GNUradio (osmocom source). Up till now I was not
> succesful. Nor on Linux for that matter.
>
> Is there something I missed?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arie Kleingeld
>

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