Re: Two gui changes

2007-11-15 Thread Fred Kiefer
Wolfgang Lux wrote: Andreas Höschler wrote: This NSAssert killed a presentation today! :-( My application died with an uncaught exception while trying to show a message with NSRunAlterPanel. What is this NSAssert good for? Quoted from Apple's documentation of -convertRect:toView:

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Fred Kiefer
Nicolas Roard wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:16 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But dialog boxes are a prime example of what would be better if it were native. For example: Ubuntu has Samba, which allows me to get to the windows drives on my network. It also allows me to view thumbnails of

Re: GNUstep slogan - discussion and voting

2007-11-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 15 Nov., 08:55, Renaud Molla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make you users smile : i may not want to make someone smile. To sum up my thoughts, all captions telling me what to do, what to Good point. If we look at my original Nokia example they rather formulate: connecting people and not

Need Windows Conversion

2007-11-15 Thread Larryapple
I am a longtime Mac developer and owner of a small company with a large application called DVDAfterEdit. 15 months ago we began a complete rewrite in Objective-C and Cocoa, adding support for the new HD DVD and Blu-ray formats. We are finally nearing the 1.0 release of that product. As part of

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Nicolas Roard
Hi Fred, On Nov 15, 2007 9:00 AM, Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Roard wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:16 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But dialog boxes are a prime example of what would be better if it were native. For example: Ubuntu has Samba, which allows me to get to

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Ingolf Jandt
Please excuse the interference, but I really do not understand why you waste time and effort on this discussion. It reminds me somewhat of the wheel inventing committee in the Hitchhiker's trilogy (which is stuck in the discussion about the colour before having made any step forward). IMHO

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Mark Grice
I don't agree here. Using native file chooser or other common dialog panels will be break the look and feel of a GNUstep application. OK, you may not like this look and feel, but at least within an application it should be consistent. Honestly? If an application has a look and feel that is

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Nicolas Roard
On Nov 15, 2007 12:54 PM, Ingolf Jandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse the interference, but I really do not understand why you waste time and effort on this discussion. It reminds me somewhat of the wheel inventing committee in the Hitchhiker's trilogy (which is stuck in the discussion

Re: GNUstep slogan - discussion and voting

2007-11-15 Thread Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
Am 14.11.2007 um 17:51 schrieb Markus Hitter: Am 12.11.2007 um 23:36 schrieb Riccardo: On 2007-11-12 16:48:23 +0100 Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNUstep ... make your users smile ... What I don't like about that slogan is that, despite it's positive message, it

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Renaud Molla
I think that anyone thinking that GNUstep can be successful without a look that appears traditional to users within their environment and a behavior that somewhat closely mimic it too is deluding himself. To anyone doubtful about this I'll give the following examples: - Apple after buying

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Wolfgang Lux
Nicolas Roard wrote: It's _far_ from knocking the whole design -- the file dialogs in GNUstep are pretty simple, api-wise and functionality-wise: you just want to call it, and get a list of files. The only advanced feature (a very cool one, mind you) is rarely used if ever (accessory views).

Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?

2007-11-15 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a forum? (i.e which website?) -- Gregory Casamento -- OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer - Original Message From: Nicola Pero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Helge Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GNUstep Discuss Discuss

Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?

2007-11-15 Thread Stefan Bidigaray
On Nov 15, 2007 12:46 AM, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I'm not convinced that having a forum will go very far to solving our problems. Yes, exposure is important. But another project called gcc, you may have heard of it, has used and still uses a mailing list.

Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?

2007-11-15 Thread Jesse Ross
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a forum? (i.e which website?) I was thinking we would just run our own, and have it live within the new site structure, hence my request for a good PHP-driven forum package. J.

Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?

2007-11-15 Thread David Chisnall
On 15 Nov 2007, at 16:23, Gregory John Casamento wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a forum? (i.e which website?) An official GNUstep forum should be hosted on the GNUstep site. Anything else looks unprofessional. David

Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?

2007-11-15 Thread Stefan Bidigaray
On Nov 15, 2007 11:23 AM, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a forum? (i.ewhich website?) Me and Jesse (actually just Jesse since I'm dead weight on this issue) are looking into it. From previous e-mails, it looks

Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?

2007-11-15 Thread Nat!
Am 15.11.2007 um 17:44 schrieb Gregory John Casamento: Cool. I think this is an excellent idea. -- Gregory Casamento -- OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer - Original Message From: Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GNUstep Discuss discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, November 15,

Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?

2007-11-15 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Cool. I think this is an excellent idea. -- Gregory Casamento -- OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer - Original Message From: Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GNUstep Discuss discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:26:51 AM Subject: Re: So, honestly, is

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Aria Stewart
I don't agree here. Using native file chooser or other common dialog panels will be break the look and feel of a GNUstep application. OK, you may not like this look and feel, but at least within an application it should be consistent. Using native dialog panels would also inhibit the

RE: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Vaisburd, Haim
Fried Kiefer wrote: Nicolas Roard wrote: Yes, file chooser should use the native one. I don't agree here. Using native file chooser or other common dialog panels will be break the look and feel of a GNUstep application. I agree with Fred here. I personally have no problem with non-native

Re: GNUstep slogan - discussion and voting

2007-11-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how about the slogan already used in the GNUstep brochure: GNUstep - The Ultimate Development Environment (http://www.gnustep.org/ information/GNUstep-brochure.pdf) Well, that does not fulfill all criteria for a good slogan: it does not describe a benefit for someone (contrary to making your

Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?)

2007-11-15 Thread Renaud Molla
(...) I personally have no problem with non-native look of an application in an environment as long as the application itself is cool and powerful. I think everybody on this mailing list knows that there are GNUstep users that do not really care about that. However there are people who care