Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

> Making an exception only on some (like GitHub). This exception is only acceptable because the users will be served content that does not require proprietary software to run. However, ideally, I would recommend that a mirror of all GitHub content is maintained elsewhere, in case this big

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

> The idea is to get off of the existing server. What server would host the interactive software index, then?

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

Thank you for your work, Alex. On 19 Jan 2021, at 21:36, Alessandro Sangiuliano wrote: So you have a theme with some eye-candy (around the net you can find other screenshots) but needs to be "ported" on libobjc2 2.0, and i repeat, the port is quite important. It is probably not so difficult

R: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Hello, GNUstep has a its own theme, the one distribuited with the sources. You can install serveral themes, one could be: https://github.com/AlessandroSangiuliano/rik.theme I developed it with Riccardo Canalicchio some years ago and other people contributed to it, like Bertrand. I know that

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 19:35 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >>> - The code is not in the main repos >> >> It is on github: https://github.com/goldelico/swi > > Footer links to https://projects.goldelico.com/p/swi/. This is fine, > but the

Re: GNUstep.app, was: Debian Package Repository...

Love the website, thanks! On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:56 PM Johannes Brakensiek wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > On 15 Dec 2020, at 21:28, Johannes Brakensiek wrote: > > > In the meantime I installed Arch/Manjaro on my development laptop as > > you are provided with much more recent packages when

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:40 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > - The code is not in the main repos > > It is on github: https://github.com/goldelico/swi Footer links to https://projects.goldelico.com/p/swi/. This is fine, but the path to contributing should be clearer. > > - I don't have admin

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 18:57 schrieb lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de: > > Hi there, > >> Am 19.01.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Gregory Casamento : >> >> The simplest solution is to turn off the GNUstep Software Index. That's >> the zero-effort solution. There are then two alternatives: >> >> >>

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

Hi Nikolaus, hi everybody else, > Am 19.01.2021 um 19:05 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller : > >> >> Am 19.01.2021 um 18:57 schrieb lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de: >> >> Hi there, >> >>> Am 19.01.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Gregory Casamento : >>> >>> The simplest solution is to turn off the

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

Hi there, > Am 19.01.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Gregory Casamento : > > The simplest solution is to turn off the GNUstep Software Index. That's > the zero-effort solution. There are then two alternatives: > > > The other possible solution is that we simply store the software index > someplace

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 18:40 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller : > > >> Am 19.01.2021 um 18:20 schrieb Ivan Vučica : >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:11 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller >> wrote: >>> It did not need any maintainance in between. But it could be copied to >>> any Linux host with apt-get install

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 18:20 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:11 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >> It did not need any maintainance in between. But it could be copied to >> any Linux host with apt-get install apache2 php mysql in ca. 30 minutes. > > This assumes you're

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:15 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > So who has spent more time on administering the software index than me? > And I have spent 0 hours the past years. Except in the role as > reviewer/moderator > for change proposals every now and then. But that is not PHP or MySQL code

Info about the project

Hi, Where I could ask some info about gnustep? I am reading the things about the website. F.e. I would like to help with something basic about the website. And help with the, what I think necessary, restyling of the project. But I am not aware of the actual project settings. It *sounds like* a

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 18:00 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:58 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >>> I realise that some people dislike JavaScript, but in 2021 I think that >>> battle is probably lost. >> >> No I don't dislike it at all - but why do a new solution if one

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:11 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > It did not need any maintainance in between. But it could be copied to > any Linux host with apt-get install apache2 php mysql in ca. 30 minutes. This assumes you're always around -- or someone else that has dealt with PHP and MySQL

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 18:05 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:19 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >>> >>> And requires someone to pay for host an SQL database and someone to be >>> responsible for security updates. >> >> I am not aware that we did pay anything for PHP and

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 17:43 schrieb Umberto Cerrato : > >> Theoretically (but that is a very personal opinion), to me the best platform >> would be a self hosted one. Relying on other(s) services the least possible. Indeed. >> The issue with self-hosted solutions is reliability. I have tried

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:19 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > > And requires someone to pay for host an SQL database and someone to be > > responsible for security updates. > > I am not aware that we did pay anything for PHP and SQL database of the swi > in the past 8 years. Why should that

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:58 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > I realise that some people dislike JavaScript, but in 2021 I think that > > battle is probably lost. > > No I don't dislike it at all - but why do a new solution if one exists? To my understanding, the current solution requires

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 17:49 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:18 AM H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >> >> >>> Am 19.01.2021 um 00:36 schrieb Ivan Vučica : >>> >>> Some options: >>> >>> - Should we turn the index into a set of static pages generated from >>> MySQL data, which

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:18 AM H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > > Am 19.01.2021 um 00:36 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > > > Some options: > > > > - Should we turn the index into a set of static pages generated from > > MySQL data, which we then check in? > > - If we turn each entry into a single .md

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

> Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 17:34, Gregory Casamento > ha scritto: > > > Umberto, > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:30 AM Umberto Cerrato > wrote: > (Hi there, I am quite new here, I am sorry for interfering here, I wanted to.) > > Is that really necessary? > > I do not know how much

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

David, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:19 AM David Chisnall wrote: > > The start point is that Gregory does not wish to continue paying for and > maintaining the infrastructure. I am 100% sympathetic with that, > because it is doing nothing that cannot be done with zero-cost solutions > that tens

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Umberto, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:30 AM Umberto Cerrato wrote: > (Hi there, I am quite new here, I am sorry for interfering here, I wanted > to.) > > Is that really necessary? > > I do not know how much GNUstep is “libre”. > Very. > But usually, I would tend to stay out of big company

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 15:14 schrieb David Chisnall : > > On 19/01/2021 13:09, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> BTW: I forgot to mention that we already have a GNUstep way of storing all >> this metadata: >> http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php >> The idea behind this is the recently

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 14:59 schrieb David Chisnall : > > On 19/01/2021 12:57, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >>> Given that this is searching from under a hundred things, all of which can >>> be downloaded in a single HTTP request quite cheaply, you could do that >>> client side in less than one

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On 19/01/2021 12:57, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Given that this is searching from under a hundred things, all of which can be downloaded in a single HTTP request quite cheaply, you could do that client side in less than one network round trip time. And you can click the "Anything wrong

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On 19/01/2021 13:09, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: BTW: I forgot to mention that we already have a GNUstep way of storing all this metadata: http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/plist.php The idea behind this is the recently mentioned GAPstore.app which would allow to show the same

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

if the question is if anyone wants to host it, I can raise my hand. I run some hosting service for some customers. However, I don't have the time to administer it. So a VM for the project and internet connectivity through AS6775. Content is a different story. > On 19 Jan 2021, at 13:54,

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 13:57 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller : > >> I'd put each of the entries in a Markdown file with the metadata in the YAML >> frontmatter. BTW: I forgot to mention that we already have a GNUstep way of storing all this metadata:

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

The only thing I would care is to make sure we can easily move the stuff from it again. So in case there will be a better/easier service, we could move to it. I am saying this because some services want you to adapt to their “rules”. Male sure we spend as much time as possible to the project

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 13:42 schrieb David Chisnall : > > On 19/01/2021 12:12, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> How would all this work for dynamic content >> likehttp://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/ ? > > Can you be a bit more specific? At first glance, that looks pretty static: > There's a

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 13:45, Gregory Casamento ha scritto:  David, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:12 AM David Chisnall mailto:gnus...@theravensnest.org>> wrote: Gregory, On 19/01/2021 12:01, Gregory Casamento wrote: > Mhm AWS... > Not a fan of Amazon :P > > > Don't care You

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the summary dismissal of AWS. Do you have a reason why you don't like them? I've worked with AWS many times and it is ideally suited to this kind of thing. On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:48 AM Umberto Cerrato wrote: > Thank you David very much. > > No

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Thank you David very much. No problem though. I took it like “do not care about it” referring to me. (Not that Gregory would not care lol!) xD > Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 13:13, David Chisnall > ha scritto: > > Gregory, > >> On 19/01/2021 12:01, Gregory Casamento wrote: >>Mhm

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Umberto, Please explain why you're not a fan. GC On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:01 AM Gregory Casamento wrote: > > Uberto... > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:50 AM Umberto Cerrato > wrote: > >> >> >> Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 00:51, Gregory Casamento < >> greg.casame...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

David, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:12 AM David Chisnall wrote: > Gregory, > > On 19/01/2021 12:01, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > Mhm AWS... > > Not a fan of Amazon :P > > > > > > Don't care > > You floated the idea of a CoC over Christmas and this is the kind of > exchange that makes me

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

On 19/01/2021 12:12, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How would all this work for dynamic content likehttp://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/ ? Can you be a bit more specific? At first glance, that looks pretty static: There's a top-level index page and a load of child pages. I'd put each of

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Gregory, On 19/01/2021 12:01, Gregory Casamento wrote: Mhm AWS... Not a fan of Amazon :P Don't care You floated the idea of a CoC over Christmas and this is the kind of exchange that makes me think that the project might need one. I understand that you don't want to derail the

Re: [ML] Hosting of gnustep.org

> Am 19.01.2021 um 13:01 schrieb David Chisnall : > > [ Disclaimer: I work for the company that owns GitHub, but these opinions are > my own and not corporate policy ] > > On 18/01/2021 23:36, Ivan Vučica wrote: >> - Should we turn the index into a set of static pages generated from >> MySQL

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

[ Disclaimer: I work for the company that owns GitHub, but these opinions are my own and not corporate policy ] On 18/01/2021 23:36, Ivan Vučica wrote: - Should we turn the index into a set of static pages generated from MySQL data, which we then check in? - If we turn each entry into a single

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Uberto... On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:50 AM Umberto Cerrato wrote: > > > Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 00:51, Gregory Casamento < > greg.casame...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >  > > Hey guys, > > There is a version of the site at gnustep.github.io that I would like to > point gnustep.org to so

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

(Hi there, I am quite new here, I am sorry for interfering here, I wanted to.) Is that really necessary? I do not know how much GNUstep is “libre”. But usually, I would tend to stay out of big company platforms (f.e. Amazon) Making an exception only on some (like GitHub). Theoretically (but

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Hi Gregory, > Am 19.01.2021 um 11:35 schrieb Gregory Casamento : > > Nikolaus, > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:18 AM H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: > > > Am 19.01.2021 um 00:36 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > > > Some options: > > > > - Should we turn the index into a set of static pages generated

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Nikolaus, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:18 AM H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > Am 19.01.2021 um 00:36 schrieb Ivan Vučica : > > > > Some options: > > > > - Should we turn the index into a set of static pages generated from > > MySQL data, which we then check in? > > - If we turn each entry into a

Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 00:51, Gregory Casamento ha scritto:  Hey guys, There is a version of the site at gnustep.github.io that I would like to point gnustep.org to so that we can make changes more easily and accept PRs. I have not