On 2005-10-11 06:00:28 +0800 Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snipped...]
* Session management is better done by loginwindow.app than the
workspace
manager
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I agree. Thats how i would like to do it myself. Of course once i find
my way to actually hacking on
Am Dienstag, 11.10.05 um 01:01 Uhr schrieb Markus Hitter:
Am 11.10.2005 um 00:00 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
* a log out request doesn't destroy anything
To be honest, I log out of my personal computer once a month, at best.
Setting a modern computer to sleep switches it as off as ha
Am 11.10.2005 um 00:00 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
* a log out request doesn't destroy anything
To be honest, I log out of my personal computer once a month, at
best. Setting a modern computer to sleep switches it as off as
hardware can be off.
For all those situations where frequ
I thought the topic takes the right direction but now it itches me to
chime in ...
Am Montag, 10.10.05 um 16:30 Uhr schrieb Markus Hitter:
Am 10.10.2005 um 14:09 schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
I guess the idea of a user default is best then ... if GWorkspace is
used as an X-windows ses
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> For instance, the procedure for a corporate user could be to -
> 1. ask all apps to terminate
> 2. wait a while, and if some apps don't terminate, perhaps raise an alert
> panel allowing the user to cancel logout
That depends on the way the ap
Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I guess the idea of a user default is best then ... if GWorkspace is used
>> as an X-windows session manager, you could use a command- line argument to
>> tell it to terminate applications when it is quit.
>
> If any of the apps refuses to quit, GWorksp
On 2005-10-10 14:36:49 + Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Markus Hitter wrote:
Am 10.10.2005 um 14:09 schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
I guess the idea of a user default is best then ... if GWorkspace is
used
as an X-windows session manager, you
On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Markus Hitter wrote:
Am 10.10.2005 um 14:09 schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
I guess the idea of a user default is best then ... if GWorkspace
is used as an X-windows session manager, you could use a command-
line argument to tell it to terminate applications
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:47:36 +0800, Rogelio wrote:
[...]
> Do we really need session management? Right now i just let windowmaker
> shut down everything and then let Login.App shutdown the machine. Thats
> almost ideal for me right now.
Yes, for you maybe ;-)
But different users have different uh
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:56:25 +0400, Roman wrote:
> Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> I too. Adding a preference? (default off)
> > Perhaps ... but another option I thought of would be to get the alert
> > panel displayed when you quit from GWorkspace to provide a third
> > o
Am 10.10.2005 um 14:09 schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
I guess the idea of a user default is best then ... if GWorkspace
is used as an X-windows session manager, you could use a command-
line argument to tell it to terminate applications when it is quit.
If any of the apps refuses to quit,
On 2005-10-10 07:56:25 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I too. Adding a preference? (default off)
Perhaps ... but another option I thought of would be to get the alert panel
displayed when you quit from GWorkspace to provide a
"Rogelio M. Serrano Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Do we really need session management? Right now i just let windowmaker shut
> down everything and then let Login.App shutdown the machine. Thats almost
> ideal for me right now.
Full-fledged XSMP-like session management may be an overkill, bu
On 2005-10-10 14:49:16 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2005-10-09 11:13:01 + Enrico Sersale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-10-09 10:24:29 +0300 Richard Frith-Macdonald
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2005-10-08 14:16:35 + Gregory John Casam
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I too. Adding a preference? (default off)
>
> Perhaps ... but another option I thought of would be to get the alert panel
> displayed when you quit from GWorkspace to provide a third option. At the
> moment it says 'Do you really want to quit
On 2005-10-09 11:13:01 + Enrico Sersale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2005-10-09 10:24:29 +0300 Richard Frith-Macdonald
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-10-08 14:16:35 + Gregory John Casamento
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Saso,
>>>
>>> --- Sa¹o Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROT
On 2005-10-09 10:24:29 +0300 Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2005-10-08 14:16:35 + Gregory John Casamento
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Saso,
>>
>> --- Sa¹o Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> What I'm trying to say is: don't worry about peanuts. We have
On 2005-10-08 14:16:35 + Gregory John Casamento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Saso,
>
> --- Sa¹o Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What I'm trying to say is: don't worry about peanuts. We have far more
>> important and urgent issues which _DO_ require serious and competent
>> decision
On 2005-10-08 14:02:45 + Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 8, 2005, at 2:42 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote:
>
>> Quoting Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Sa�o Kiselkov wrote:
>>>
Let's just stop putting up theories about h
Saso,
--- Sa¹o Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why bother following the _internal_workings_ of OSX? The important features,
> namely the external interface that apps see (that is, that
> -applicationShouldTerminate: gets invoked before the poweroff occurs and the
> return value correctly co
On Oct 8, 2005, at 2:42 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote:
Quoting Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Oct 7, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Sa�o Kiselkov wrote:
Let's just stop putting up theories about how it may or may not
work on OSX and
instead start designing a way that would work for us.
I think we
On 2005-10-08 09:42:15 +0300 Sašo Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Sa�o Kiselkov wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's just stop putting up theories about how it may or may not
>>> work on OSX and
>>> instead start designing a w
Am 07.10.2005 um 22:58 schrieb Adrian Robert:
- (NSApplicationTerminateReply)applicationShouldTerminate:
(NSApplication *)sender
Invoked from within the terminate: method immediately before the
application terminates. sender is the NSApplication to be terminated.
Sounds reasonable to impl
Quoting Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Oct 7, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Sa�o Kiselkov wrote:
> >
> > Let's just stop putting up theories about how it may or may not
> > work on OSX and
> > instead start designing a way that would work for us.
>
> I think we should try to follow OS X behavior to
On Oct 7, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote:
Let's just stop putting up theories about how it may or may not
work on OSX and
instead start designing a way that would work for us.
I think we should try to follow OS X behavior to make things easier
for people porting or maintaining cro
Quoting Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I think we can safely infer that the session manager *should* send the
> > NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification to all apps on session termination, but
> we
> > don't know what (if anything) it sh
"Chris Vetter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I think we should provide a (documented) mechanism to shut down an
>> application for GNUstep. This should probably be some message that the
>> application will respond to like -powerOff, which will send a local
>> NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotificati
On 2005-10-07 07:53:06 + Chris Vetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:58:51 +, Richard wrote:
[...]
I think we should provide a (documented) mechanism to shut down an
application for GNUstep. This should probably be some message that the
application will respond to
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:58:51 +, Richard wrote:
[...]
> I think we should provide a (documented) mechanism to shut down an
> application for GNUstep. This should probably be some message that the
> application will respond to like -powerOff, which will send a local
> NSWorkspaceWillPowerOff
On 2005-10-07 06:40:21 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Is there a fallback for applications that don't explicitly observe this
notification (like passing terminate: to NSApplication instance) ?
Since about any Mac OS X app bases on NS
Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Is there a fallback for applications that don't explicitly observe this
>> notification (like passing terminate: to NSApplication instance) ?
>
> Since about any Mac OS X app bases on NSApplication and NSApplication handles
> this, there's no need for
Am 06.10.2005 um 09:53 schrieb Roman Belenov:
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
When the session manage wishes to shut down (either for a logout
or for the
machine shutting down), it should post an
NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification to the workspace
notificationCenter.
"Chris Vetter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> They usually offer something like "Log out" -- sending a "power
> off" note would be the only *clean* way of letting other applications know
> that the user is about to log out (ie. terminate the workspace, which would
> normally result in 'killing' eve
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think we can safely infer that the session manager *should* send the
> NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification to all apps on session termination, but we
> don't know what (if anything) it should do then (other than some sort of force
> quit of a
On 2005-10-06 13:17:26 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I have never seen anything in the MacOS-X documentation describing how the
session manager tells the application to shut down other than the
NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotifica
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have never seen anything in the MacOS-X documentation describing how the
> session manager tells the application to shut down other than the
> NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification. It is clear that the session manager
> sends thay notificatio
On 2005-10-06 12:42:13 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> My reading of it is that it's your responsibility as a developer to have
>> your
>> code listen for the notification and call [NSApp -terminate] when you
>> receive
>
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My reading of it is that it's your responsibility as a developer to have your
> code listen for the notification and call [NSApp -terminate] when you receive
> it. I don't think the gui/AppKit does that for you. Did you try this on
> MacOS-X?
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:19:22 +, Richard wrote:
> On 2005-10-06 10:11:53 + Chris Vetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I actually played around with NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification last
> > night by posting this notification in one application, explicitly
> > listening for it in another
On 2005-10-06 10:11:53 + Chris Vetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:50:22 +0200, Saso wrote:
Quoting Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Is there a fallback for applications that don't explicitly observe this
notification (like passing terminate: to NSApplication instan
On 2005-10-06 10:36:47 + Chris Vetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:58:44 +, Richard wrote:
On 2005-10-06 07:53:48 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there a fallback for applications that don't explicitly observe this
notification (like passing termi
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:58:44 +, Richard wrote:
> On 2005-10-06 07:53:48 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is there a fallback for applications that don't explicitly observe this
> > notification (like passing terminate: to NSApplication instance) ? What
> > about OpenStep or M
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:50:22 +0200, Saso wrote:
> Quoting Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Is there a fallback for applications that don't explicitly observe this
> > notification (like passing terminate: to NSApplication instance) ? What
> > about OpenStep or Mac OS X - do they have somethi
On 2005-10-06 07:53:48 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
When the session manage wishes to shut down (either for a logout or for the
machine shutting down), it should post an
NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification to the workspace n
Quoting Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > When the session manage wishes to shut down (either for a logout or for the
> > machine shutting down), it should post an
> > NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification to the workspace notificationCent
Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When the session manage wishes to shut down (either for a logout or for the
> machine shutting down), it should post an
> NSWorkspaceWillPowerOffNotification to the workspace notificationCenter.
> The workspace notification center sends that no
Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote:
> On 2005-09-30 07:41:52 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Does GNUstep framework give some session-awareness to the apps that
>> use it ?
>> Is it possible to use xsm or something like that to at least close the
>> session
>> cleanly (that is, give
On 2005-09-30 07:41:52 + Roman Belenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does GNUstep framework give some session-awareness to the apps that use it ?
Is it possible to use xsm or something like that to at least close the
session
cleanly (that is, give apps with unsaved documents a chance to save
Does GNUstep framework give some session-awareness to the apps that use it ?
Is it possible to use xsm or something like that to at least close the session
cleanly (that is, give apps with unsaved documents a chance to save them) ?
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