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To: GNUstep Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:26:51 AM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a
forum? (i.e which website?)
I was thinking we would just run our own, and have
I think everybody on this mailing list knows that there are
GNUstep users that do not really care about that.
However there are people who care on the list, and the outside
world cares about it too.
Our architecture makes it difficult to implement this. Each widget
in GNUstep draws
-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:34:30 AM
Subject: Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable
development option?)
I think everybody on this mailing list knows that there are GNUstep users
that do not really care about that.
However there are people who care
: Renaud Molla [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:57:53 AM
Subject: Re: Native widgets (was: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable
development option?)
(...) I personally have no problem with non-native
look of an application in an environment as long
Nicolas Roard wrote:
On Nov 13, 2007 2:16 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But dialog boxes are a prime example of what would be better if it
were native. For example: Ubuntu has Samba, which allows me to get to
the windows drives on my network. It also allows me to view thumbnails
of
Hi Fred,
On Nov 15, 2007 9:00 AM, Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nicolas Roard wrote:
On Nov 13, 2007 2:16 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But dialog boxes are a prime example of what would be better if it
were native. For example: Ubuntu has Samba, which allows me to get to
Please excuse the interference, but I really do not understand why you
waste time and effort on this discussion. It reminds me somewhat of the
wheel inventing committee in the Hitchhiker's trilogy (which is stuck in
the discussion about the colour before having made any step forward).
IMHO
I don't agree here. Using native file chooser or other common dialog
panels will be break the look and feel of a GNUstep application. OK, you
may not like this look and feel, but at least within an application it
should be consistent.
Honestly? If an application has a look and feel that is
On Nov 15, 2007 12:54 PM, Ingolf Jandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please excuse the interference, but I really do not understand why you
waste time and effort on this discussion. It reminds me somewhat of the
wheel inventing committee in the Hitchhiker's trilogy (which is stuck in
the discussion
I think that anyone thinking that GNUstep can be successful without a
look that appears traditional to users within their environment
and a behavior that somewhat closely mimic it too is deluding himself.
To anyone doubtful about this I'll give the following examples:
- Apple after buying
Nicolas Roard wrote:
It's _far_ from knocking the whole design -- the file dialogs in
GNUstep are pretty simple, api-wise and functionality-wise: you just
want to call it, and get a list of files. The only advanced feature (a
very cool one, mind you) is rarely used if ever (accessory views).
@gnu.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:43:36 PM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Having both is certainly a good thing, by only having one of the two
you lock out quite a percentage of the other group. [and this doesn't
mean that mailing list guys
On Nov 15, 2007 12:46 AM, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Also, I'm not convinced that having a forum will go very far to solving
our problems. Yes, exposure is important. But another project called
gcc, you may have heard of it, has used and still uses a mailing list.
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a
forum? (i.e which website?)
I was thinking we would just run our own, and have it live within the
new site structure, hence my request for a good PHP-driven forum
package.
J.
On 15 Nov 2007, at 16:23, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a
forum? (i.e which website?)
An official GNUstep forum should be hosted on the GNUstep site.
Anything else looks unprofessional.
David
On Nov 15, 2007 11:23 AM, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a forum?
(i.ewhich website?)
Me and Jesse (actually just Jesse since I'm dead weight on this issue) are
looking into it. From previous e-mails, it looks
, 2007 11:26:51 AM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a
forum? (i.e which website?)
I was thinking we would just run our own, and have it live within the
new site structure, hence my request for a good
, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Does anyone have any suggestions of a good place to create a
forum? (i.e which website?)
I was thinking we would just run our own, and have it live within the
new site structure, hence my request for a good PHP-driven forum
package.
J
I don't agree here. Using native file chooser or other common dialog
panels will be break the look and feel of a GNUstep application.
OK, you
may not like this look and feel, but at least within an application it
should be consistent. Using native dialog panels would also inhibit
the
Fried Kiefer wrote:
Nicolas Roard wrote:
Yes, file chooser should use the native one.
I don't agree here. Using native file chooser or other common
dialog panels will be break the look and feel of a GNUstep
application.
I agree with Fred here. I personally have no problem with non-native
(...) I personally have no problem with non-native
look of an application in an environment as long as the
application itself is cool and powerful.
I think everybody on this mailing list knows that there are GNUstep
users that do not really care about that.
However there are people who care
Critical mass can be improved by making the gnustep site a hub for
listing current gnustep applications, and even for downloading them. It
will give a better idea to the visitors that GNUStep other than a
programming platform, is also a user environment with a set of
integrated tools. Besides
Am 13.11.2007 um 14:37 schrieb Mark Grice:
1. Stop the mailing list and put up a forum. That is the preferred
method of communication for most people these days.
Perhaps it's the method of communication currently in fashion, but
Forii are so incredibly complex to handle (compared to a
Using a forum is incredibly complex?
It is odd how these incredibly complex forums continue to be adopted
by virtually every other OS, Language and development system out
there...
http://www.gtkforums.com/
http://www.qtforum.org/
http://www.cairoshell.com/forum/
: Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Markus Hitter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: GNUstep Discuss Discuss discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:49:00 PM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Using a forum is incredibly complex?
It is odd how
Hi all,
I think Mark and Daniel is talking a lot of sense.
... put up a forum. That is the preferred method of communication
for most people these days.
Critical mass can be improved by making the gnustep site a hub for
listing current gnustep applications, and even for downloading them.
discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:49:00 PM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Using a forum is incredibly complex?
It is odd how these incredibly complex forums continue to be adopted
by virtually every other OS, Language and development
On 15.11.2007, at 00:04, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
If you could enumerate some advantages, aside from that, that
forums have over mailing lists, that would be nice.
We've found that people either like forums or mailing lists. Its a
matter of preference and the spread seems to be ~
, November 14, 2007 1:49:00 PM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Using a forum is incredibly complex?
It is odd how these incredibly complex forums continue to be adopted
by virtually every other OS, Language and development system out
there...
http
On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Mark Grice wrote:
Using a forum is incredibly complex?
It is odd how these incredibly complex forums continue to be adopted
by virtually every other OS, Language and development system out
there...
http://www.gtkforums.com/
http://www.qtforum.org/
Le mercredi 14 novembre 2007 à 17:14 -0700, Aria Stewart a écrit :
On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Mark Grice wrote:
Using a forum is incredibly complex?
It is odd how these incredibly complex forums continue to be adopted
by virtually every other OS, Language and development system out
Having both is certainly a good thing, by only having one of the two
you lock out quite a percentage of the other group. [and this doesn't
mean that mailing list guys need to support forums, just having a
forum for forums users is a good thing :-)]
I support the idea of an official
Having both is certainly a good thing, by only having one of the two
you lock out quite a percentage of the other group. [and this doesn't
mean that mailing list guys need to support forums, just having a
forum for forums users is a good thing :-)]
I support the idea of an official GNUstep
: Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Markus Hitter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GNUstep Discuss Discuss
discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:53:43 PM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
OK... This is my last
, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Having both is certainly a good thing, by only having one of the two
you lock out quite a percentage of the other group. [and this doesn't
mean that mailing list guys need to support forums, just having a
forum for forums users is a good thing
On Nov 15, 2007 5:25 AM, Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree, and think it makes sense to add one to the new site. Does
anyone have recommendations on a good PHP-based, MySQL-backed forum
solution (preferably one that allows receiving and replying to posts
via email)?
PHP- or
Being gnustep an API and development environment, its foundation is the
open step specification, and has as an objective to follow the state of
the Cocoa APIs.
But the openstep spec also specifies a set of applications and user
interface guidelines that make NextStep and consequently GNUStep
Hi Mark,
First, as an Étoilé developer, I can answer the question in your
subject line with a definite 'yes.' I recently did a Cocoa tutorial
for OS X users where we developed a simple app in XCode and Interface
Builder. In the last five minutes of the session, I copied the code
that
3) Eliminate the need for GNUstep.sh...
Well, this one wasn't a biggie for me... but I still had to run the
GNUStep.sh to get things to compile.
GNUstep.sh is still needed to compile, but not to run GNUstep
applications. The new GNUstep.conf contains the configuration files
needed to
Thanks for the replies. It was a relief to wake up this morning and
see that the mailing list is active, I sent an email to the Etoille
list days ago (a lot less flammatory, btw) and still have not seen any
reply. So maybe at least part of my tone came from frustration.
A couple of things, but
OK. So, I have a couple of thoughts. If the goal is to bring GNUStep
into use to as many developers as possible, there is only one
solution: Critical Mass. The history of our industry shows us that the
best product rarely wins. (Anyone think that Windows Vista is the best
windowing system?)
Hi,
On Nov 13, 2007 1:13 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the replies. It was a relief to wake up this morning and
see that the mailing list is active, I sent an email to the Etoille
list days ago (a lot less flammatory, btw) and still have not seen any
reply. So maybe at
On Nov 13, 2007 1:37 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
B) Native widgets. Why not? I used to work for Neuron Data about 15
years ago. We had a product called Open Interface that provided a
cross-platform GUI. It was great when we started -- a superset of all
windowing environments... but
OK, valid points. One thing I want to emphasize is that I am NOT
suggesting that GNUStep supports MDI. Lord forbid!
I don't think that is necessary for widespread adoption (Mac seems to
have done OK without it :-) But a single horizontal menu bar seems to
be the accepted practice of all
On Nov 13, 2007 2:16 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, valid points. One thing I want to emphasize is that I am NOT
suggesting that GNUStep supports MDI. Lord forbid!
I don't think that is necessary for widespread adoption (Mac seems to
have done OK without it :-) But a single
From: Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13:28 AM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Thanks for the replies. It was a relief to wake up this morning and
see
Le Lundi 12 Novembre 2007 23:54:03 EST, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit:
Hi All... I don't mean to come on and be a flame thrower my first
post. Believe me, I am hoping to be convinced that GNUStep is a great
choice... but my three weeks of poking and playing makes me wonder...
Here's
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To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:48:46 PM
Subject: Re: So, honestly, is GNUStep a viable development option?
Le Lundi 12 Novembre 2007 23:54:03 EST, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit:
Hi All... I don't mean to come on and be a flame thrower my first
HI,
this discussion is a bit sidestepping and taking up precious time to
reply, still, let me make some short commrents.
On 2007-11-13 14:37:39 +0100 Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If UBUNTU has shown us nothing, it has shown us that.
flame
steal the work of others, make up some bad
On 13.11.2007, at 20:04, Riccardo wrote:
flame
steal the work of others,
Wow, how do you steal *free software*? Sigh ...
Helge
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http://www.helgehess.eu/
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The worst part of the flame, to me, was it completely missed the point. I
wasn't saying that Ubuntu should be held up for all to admire and emulate...
My point was that Ubuntu's success is a based mostly on mass and momentum.
Because SO many people use it, it has an incredible user base which
Mark,
Hi All... I don't mean to come on and be a flame thrower my first
post. Believe me, I am hoping to be convinced that GNUStep is a great
choice... but my three weeks of poking and playing makes me wonder...
I'm not going to try to win you over, only give you the facts about where we
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