Re: FOSDEM Slides

2012-02-13 Thread Sebastian Reitenbach
On Sunday, February 12, 2012 22:45 CET, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de wrote: Am 12.02.2012 um 15:35 schrieb David Chisnall: Hi Everyone, For anyone who missed FOSDEM and needs something to do while GNA is down, my slides are now online:

Re: FOSDEM Slides

2012-02-13 Thread Fred Kiefer
On 13.02.2012 09:11, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote: I added the slides for my first two talks, and for Freds talk about the -gui improvements. Just to repeat myself, it was Eric's talk I only gave it. And I would like to thank Eric once more for preparing it. Fred

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Fred Kiefer
On 11.02.2012 19:23, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Gregory Casamento wrote: GNA is still down. I'm wondering if we shouldn't explore alternatives at this point. In either case once it does come back I'm going to set up another svn repo locally that pulls the latest every day so that we always have

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread David Chisnall
On 13 Feb 2012, at 09:53, Fred Kiefer wrote: The Etoile people should have a lot of experience with git already. maybe they even have some clever scripts to transfer the current SVN repository into a git one. And most of all we would need a good tutorial to get old fashioned developers

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Ivan Vučica
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:35, David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org wrote: The only disadvantage I've seen of Fossil compared to git or hg is that it doesn't (yet) scale as well. For a comparatively small project like GNUstep, this is not a significant issue (NetBSD is in the process of

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Quentin Mathé
Le 13 févr. 2012 à 13:26, Ivan Vučica a écrit : On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:35, David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org wrote: The only disadvantage I've seen of Fossil compared to git or hg is that it doesn't (yet) scale as well. For a comparatively small project like GNUstep, this is not a

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread David Chisnall
On 13 Feb 2012, at 13:23, Quentin Mathé wrote: I quite like Fossil, but I'd be fine with Mercurial too. Both seems to have a similar command-line interface: Fossil: http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/quickstart.wiki Mercurial:

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Gregory Casamento
Fred, I believe this is the right move. A move to git would solve many problems. I'm honestly concerned about staying with GNA in general. This one week of downtime has really made me consider how safe our code is on GNA. I would say that, if savannah currently supports git, we may want to

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Ivan Vučica
Greg, On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 18:03, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.comwrote: If anyone has any objections to use GIT I would like to hear it now. you mean apart from what David, Quentin and I have said? :-) -- Ivan Vučica - i...@vucica.net

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Gregory Casamento
Indeed... they are good arguments against it. I think we can consider git off of the table. GC On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ivan Vučica ivuc...@gmail.com wrote: Greg, On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 18:03, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has any objections to use

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
If anyone has any objections to use GIT I would like to hear it now. I have one ... nobody seems to have anything good to say about it! I think its main selling point is that it was one of the first distributed systems ... But first is not best. I think savannah supports both mercurial and

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Gregory Casamento
I don't think there are any positive reasons to pick git, so it's off the table. GC On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Richard Frith-Macdonald rich...@tiptree.demon.co.uk wrote: If anyone has any objections to use GIT I would like to hear it now. I have one ... nobody seems to have anything

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Nicolas Roard
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:30 AM, David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org wrote: On 13 Feb 2012, at 13:23, Quentin Mathé wrote: I quite like Fossil, but I'd be fine with Mercurial too. Both seems to have a similar command-line interface: Fossil:

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Nicolas Roard
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: Fred, I believe this is the right move.   A move to git would solve many problems.   I'm honestly concerned about staying with GNA in general.  This one week of downtime has really made me consider how safe our

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Derek Fawcus
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:34:15PM -0500, Gregory Casamento wrote: I don't think there are any positive reasons to pick git, so it's off the table. Oh well... Actually, I quite like git; largely because of it being a collection of lots of little tools, such that one can (if one desires)

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 13.02.2012 um 18:38 schrieb Nicolas Roard: On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:30 AM, David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org wrote: On 13 Feb 2012, at 13:23, Quentin Mathé wrote: I quite like Fossil, but I'd be fine with Mercurial too. Both seems to have a similar command-line interface: Fossil:

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread David Chisnall
On 13 Feb 2012, at 18:09, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: * only one .git subdirectory at the root, i.e. painless addition and moving around of subdirectories FYI: svn has this too in 1.7. David -- Sent from my STANTEC-ZEBRA ___ Discuss-gnustep

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Amr Aboelela
I also suggest to use git, and if possible github.com which is widely known by most developers now, and it can attract more volunteers to work with us. It is easy to manage, add people, fork repositories, has issues (bugs) tacking tool, has wiki for ur project, all for free, as long as the project

Voting: do you want to move to git?

2012-02-13 Thread Amr Aboelela
Why don't we make voting about moving to git? Do you want to move to git? Pls answer yes or no. My answer is: YES ___ Discuss-gnustep mailing list Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep

Re: Voting: do you want to move to git?

2012-02-13 Thread Fred Kiefer
On 13.02.2012 20:45, Amr Aboelela wrote: Why don't we make voting about moving to git? Do you want to move to git? Pls answer yes or no. My answer is: YES Sorry, but I would prefer to gather a few more arguments and hands on experience before voting about the move to another version

Re: Voting: do you want to move to git?

2012-02-13 Thread Ivan Vučica
If there is a move to a DVCS, as I've already said, I'd support Mercurial. Git is quite unfriendly, and GNUstep would be the only project I'd force myself to use it with, and only in cases where I couldn't use hg-git. There are problems with moving to any other VCS -- whether it's DVCS or not.

Re: Voting: do you want to move to git?

2012-02-13 Thread Derek Fawcus
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:06:43PM +0100, Fred Kiefer wrote: Sorry, but I would prefer to gather a few more arguments and hands on experience before voting about the move to another version control system, although it was me that suggested that move. Well, if anyone is interested, I

Code review [Was: GNA is down...}

2012-02-13 Thread Fred Kiefer
On 13.02.2012 22:09, Eric Wasylishen wrote: One big advantage of dvcs's, which is something I don't hear discussed a lot, is how much better the GUI's are for reviewing recent commits made by other people. In my opinion, every active developer should be reviewing the diffs of most commits to

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Pirmin Braun
Am Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:09:41 -0700 schrieb Eric Wasylishen ewasylis...@gmail.com : because it's slow with subversion I'm very happy with tortoise-svn -- mit freundlichen Gruessen/best regards Pirmin Braun seat-1 Software GmbH - Sinziger Str. 29a - 53424 Remagen +49(0)2642 308288

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Gregory Casamento
All, What follows are my general thoughts on this whole discussion thusfar. I'm only throwing out these thoughts for consideration at this point. All of Eric's statements are excellent arguments for GIT. The value of something like github, since it is widely used and allows for any number of

Re: GNA is down...

2012-02-13 Thread Gregory Casamento
Haha... not quite alphabetically, this is what happens when you add things to a posting last minute! 1) fossil 2) git 3) hg ;) GC On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: All, What follows are my general thoughts on this whole discussion thusfar.