Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-16 Thread MJ Ray
Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 15.02.2007 um 15:32 schrieb Jeff Teunissen: Why, why WHY in the name of all that is good should anyone in a Free Software project act professional? Because we want GNUstep to be successful? Because that means GNUstep has to be used

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-16 Thread MJ Ray
Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In my messages, no matter how pissed I am, [...] Pissed? Remember: don't drink and email. ;-) http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/p.htm -- MJR/slef, trying to lighten stuff up on a Friday afternoon. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-16 Thread Graham J Lee
On 15 Feb 2007, at 20:21, Gregory John Casamento wrote: In my messages, no matter how pissed I am, except in very extreme circumstances, I try to be always measured in my response on the public mailing list. I try to treat people with respect (even if I am sometimes a bit sarcastic), and

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Gregory John Casamento wrote: All, While I realize this is an open forum, it makes us look really unprofessional to have profanity in the subject lines or in the messages. I would appreciate it if we all could please make our communications on the list free of profanity. Why, why WHY

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Gregory John Casamento
- Original Message From: Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:32:59 AM Subject: Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make) Gregory John Casamento wrote: All, While I realize this is an open

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
Am 15.02.2007 um 15:32 schrieb Jeff Teunissen: Gregory John Casamento wrote: All, While I realize this is an open forum, it makes us look really unprofessional to have profanity in the subject lines or in the messages. I would appreciate it if we all could please make our

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: Am 15.02.2007 um 15:32 schrieb Jeff Teunissen: [snip] Why, why WHY in the name of all that is good should anyone in a Free Software project act professional? Because we want GNUstep to be successful? Because that means GNUstep has to be used in

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Jeremy Tregunna
On 15-Feb-07, at 1:18 PM, Jeff Teunissen wrote: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: Am 15.02.2007 um 15:32 schrieb Jeff Teunissen: [snip] Why, why WHY in the name of all that is good should anyone in a Free Software project act professional? Because we want GNUstep to be successful? Because

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Renaud Molla
Thats true, anywhere, anytime, everybody just hates being insulted, that's human, it has nothing to do with professionalism. On Feb 15, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Stefan Bidigaray wrote: I think the issue here is not professionalism, but politeness. Really, how much more help/attention will you get,

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:18:46 PM Subject: Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make) Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: Am 15.02.2007 um 15:32 schrieb Jeff Teunissen: [snip] Why, why WHY

Re: The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-15 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Stefan Bidigaray wrote: I think the issue here is not professionalism, but politeness. Really, how much more help/attention will you get, and this goes for anywhere you go, if you're insulting anyone? A great example is, step into any government building wanting something and insult

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-14 Thread Renaud Molla
On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:59 AM, Chris Vetter wrote: ... The best way to report a bug is politely, and with helpful detail about where it actually occurred and on what system it was running etc.. Hell, if the core developers do not even try to write portable code, even though it's

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-14 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2007-02-14 01:15:40 +0100 Nicola Pero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, I guess the configure script needs to check that it has gnu-make before trying to use it. Any chance you could submit a patch to fix it? See the links to WIKI above. I checked the links and I couldn't find any patch.

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-14 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2007-02-13 23:38:53 +0100 Adam Fedor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This language really isn't appropriate for this list. I agree, somewhat. Hard-coding path or tool names, simply assuming that certain flags of tools exist and/or do the same thing on platforms other than your own, using

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-14 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2007-02-14 01:31:31 +0100 Nicola Pero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to top it of, even though 'make --version' fails, the script is happily running along. Instead, it should complain about the non-GNU make(1) and quit. Why would you want it to quit ? Whether to quit or not certainly

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-14 Thread Nicola Pero
OTOH, if this was just a 'goody' and 'nice to have' feature, but not essential, the version check could be made silently and a possible error message piped to limbo. This is an excellent suggestion! :-) I guess the right way to do it is to pipe all error output into 5, which configure then

Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Chris Vetter
Hi, gs_cv_make_version=`make --version | head -1 | sed -e 's/^[^0-9]*//'` :0 make --version make: illegal option -- - usage: make [-BPSXeiknqrstv] [-C directory] [-D variable] [-d flags] [-E variable] [-f makefile] [-I directory] [-j max_jobs] [-m directory] [-V

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 13 Feb 2007, at 20:24, Chris Vetter wrote: Hi, gs_cv_make_version=`make --version | head -1 | sed -e 's/^[^0-9] *//'` :0 make --version make: illegal option -- - usage: make [-BPSXeiknqrstv] [-C directory] [-D variable] [-d flags] [-E variable] [-f makefile] [-I

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Andrew Sveikauskas
On 2007-02-13 15:40:26 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, anyone using gnustep-make must be using gnu-make, which supports the --version flag. So the question is why your system barfed? It must have been running some other make somehow. The reason should be

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 13 Feb 2007, at 17:08, Andrew Sveikauskas wrote: On 2007-02-13 15:40:26 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, anyone using gnustep-make must be using gnu-make, which supports the --version flag. So the question is why your system barfed? It must have been

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Adam Fedor
This language really isn't appropriate for this list. Please try to use better words in the future. ___ Discuss-gnustep mailing list Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep

RE: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Nicola Pero
Hi, gs_cv_make_version=`make --version | head -1 | sed -e 's/^[^0-9]*//'` :0 make --version make: illegal option -- - NOT everyone is using LinSux. Thanks, you found a bug! I applied Adam's patch to trunk, can you check it if works for you now ? :-) And yes, I know SVN isn't

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2007-02-13 21:40:26 +0100 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that comments like that do a lot to put developers off working on GNUstep, doing immeasurably more harm than breakage of code in svn-trunk. The implied notion that a change must be tested on all platforms

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Nicola Pero
If so, I guess the configure script needs to check that it has gnu-make before trying to use it. Any chance you could submit a patch to fix it? See the links to WIKI above. I checked the links and I couldn't find any patch. I guess I'll modify the current code to also check for

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Nicola Pero
And to top it of, even though 'make --version' fails, the script is happily running along. Instead, it should complain about the non-GNU make(1) and quit. Why would you want it to quit ? The test will fail with some versions of GNU make too, in which case you don't get the new This is

Re: Fucked up gnustep-make

2007-02-13 Thread Graham J Lee
On 14 Feb 2007, at 00:51, Helge Hess wrote: On Feb 14, 2007, at 24:59, Chris Vetter wrote: Hell, if the core developers do not even try to write portable code, even though it's propagated on one of GNUstep's official sites... By portable code we refer to Windows, not BSD. That should be

The importance of civil communication on the list (was Re: Fucked up gnustep-make)

2007-02-13 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Message From: Chris Vetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:24:24 PM Subject: Fucked up gnustep-make Hi, gs_cv_make_version=`make --version | head -1 | sed -e 's/^[^0-9]*//'` :0 make --version make: illegal option -- - usage: make