RE: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-15 Thread Slex Sangiuliano
2013 03:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: GNUstep's default theme... From: lpro...@gmail.com CC: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org On 14 September 2013 20:53, Muhammad Hussein Nasrollahpour iapplechocol...@me.com wrote: Take a look at http://etoileos.com/downloads/. You can install it or download

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Stefan. On 09/12/13 15:46, Stefan Bidi wrote: Tango is definitely free software! I'm not sure what the actual license, though. A few years ago it was incorporated into the freedesktop.org http://freedesktop.org effort (http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library). I will start

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread David Chisnall
At the DevMeeting (and a bit since), Quentin and Eric have been working on making the Aristo2 theme from Cappuccino ( http://www.cappuccino-project.org/aristo/ and http://www.cappuccino-project.org/aristo/showcase/ ) work with GNUstep. I think it's a nice choice, as it's clean, consistent,

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread James Carthew
Ricardo: Now that dbuskit exists, is it possible to make System Preferences plugins for configuring Xrandr, pulseaudio, and network-manager? This would make System Preferences useful for configuring the system. I've looked at Etoile and there's a lot of project duplication. They have their own

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread Liam Proven
On 14 September 2013 14:30, James Carthew jcart...@gmail.com wrote: I've looked at Etoile Has there ever been a public release, demo, beta or anything of Etoilé? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook:

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, David Chisnall wrote: At the DevMeeting (and a bit since), Quentin and Eric have been working on making the Aristo2 theme from Cappuccino ( http://www.cappuccino-project.org/aristo/ and http://www.cappuccino-project.org/aristo/showcase/ ) work with GNUstep. I think it's a nice choice,

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 09/14/13 15:30, James Carthew wrote: Ricardo: Now that dbuskit exists, is it possible to make System Preferences plugins for configuring Xrandr, pulseaudio, and network-manager? This would make System Preferences useful for configuring the system. I've looked at Etoile and there's a

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread Muhammad Hussein Nasrollahpour
On Sep 14, 2013, at 6:36 AM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 September 2013 14:30, James Carthew jcart...@gmail.com wrote: I've looked at Etoile Has there ever been a public release, demo, beta or anything of Etoilé? Take a look at http://etoileos.com/downloads/. You can install

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-14 Thread Liam Proven
On 14 September 2013 20:53, Muhammad Hussein Nasrollahpour iapplechocol...@me.com wrote: Take a look at http://etoileos.com/downloads/. You can install it or download VirtualBox image. Ah, OK, thanks for that. Let me rephrase my question, then: Is there a downloadable copy that is newer than

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Gregory Casamento
German, I agree we should show GNUstep running with different themes. My current concern is the default theme when the user has no themes installed. Showing the old, dated, NeXT theme doesn't help us because people associate it with the old technology. Allow me to be clear… I like the NeXT

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Germán Arias
Also, we need a small GNUstep's configuration guide for new users. And a FAQ, at website not at wiki, with questions like: I use KDE but GNUstep looks alien ... Germán. On 2013-09-11 23:52:09 -0600 Lundberg, Johannes johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Maybe put up

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Germán Arias
And we finally should fix the cursor issues. These are more evident with in-window menu. Germán. On 2013-09-12 00:03:49 -0600 Germán Arias germanandre...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we need a small GNUstep's configuration guide for new users. And a FAQ, at website not at wiki, with questions like:

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 12.09.2013 um 08:03 schrieb Germán Arias: Also, we need a small GNUstep's configuration guide for new users. And a FAQ, at website not at wiki, with questions like: I use KDE but GNUstep looks alien ... Would it be possible to detect the desktop that is running and auto-adapt the default

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Gregory Casamento
This is something I had thought of doing years ago, but it was shot down. The only thing I don't like about it is that it requires all of those themes to be compiled and installed by default. That doesn't rule it out as a possible solution, though. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Dr. H.

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 09/12/13 07:49, Germán Arias wrote: On 2013-09-11 23:29:07 -0600 Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the default theme is the problem. The problem is that the users don't see, at website, screenshots of gnustep running with other themes or in other desktops.

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 09/12/13 07:29, Gregory Casamento wrote: I've often felt as though our default look causes people to have a bad first impression of GNUstep. First impressions and out of the box experience have a huge impact. Many people make the mistake of believing we are ONLY OpenStep based on the

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Gregory Casamento
I want to make it clear that I'm not referring to themes which change colors or do simple tricks to change the appearance of the GUI. It has to go further than that. Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com Open Logic Corporation, President/CEO GNUstep Lead Developer On Sep 12, 2013, at

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 09/12/13 11:28, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Now I did a test, I searched google theming with bing. Looking at the images, we do get screenshots! Our main screenshot is a dark themed image... we have blog posts. Thus it is fine. [First point: check how things really are, not how things

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Stefan Bidi
I guess I'll put my 2 cents in... To me, the look itself isn't that outdated. Personally, even on Windows, I use the Classic theme because of the well defined edges on GUI artifacts. That said, I do think the default GNUstep theme needs an update. The gray is too dark, the icons do not follow

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread James Carthew
More apps, more usability, more desktop environment.the biggest dealbreakers for me are webkit, and lack of tools in system preferences.app, can't set monitor, keyboard, mouse, sound, network options. Add those sections to system preferences and it'll start feeling like a complete desktop

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 09/12/13 14:26, Stefan Bidi wrote: I guess I'll put my 2 cents in... To me, the look itself isn't that outdated. Personally, even on Windows, I use the Classic theme because of the well defined edges on GUI artifacts. That said, I do think the default GNUstep theme needs an update.

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-12 Thread Stefan Bidi
Tango is definitely free software! I'm not sure what the actual license, though. A few years ago it was incorporated into the freedesktop.orgeffort ( http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library). On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote: Hi,

GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-11 Thread Gregory Casamento
I've often felt as though our default look causes people to have a bad first impression of GNUstep. First impressions and out of the box experience have a huge impact. Many people make the mistake of believing we are ONLY OpenStep based on the look alone without really looking at the API. Does

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-11 Thread Germán Arias
On 2013-09-11 23:29:07 -0600 Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: I've often felt as though our default look causes people to have a bad first impression of GNUstep. First impressions and out of the box experience have a huge impact. Many people make the mistake of believing we

Re: GNUstep's default theme...

2013-09-11 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Yes, I totally agree. Maybe put up more screenshots of GNUstep apps running in different styles on different systems? Johannes Lundberg Project leader and lead developer of Mirama OS (previously Viking OS) My blog http://brilliantobjc.blogspot.com Mirama homepage