Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-28 Thread Dr Tomaž Slivnik
On 28 Nov 2007, at 09:32, Markus Hitter wrote: 10.5.1 (Intel) This is a brand new OS with a lot of design decisions not seen before, so some failures aren't _that_ surprising. As Apple prefers to collect 300 new features before offering them to non-paying developers, switching to a

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-28 Thread Riccardo
Hi, On 2007-11-28 10:46:39 +0100 Dr Tomaž Slivnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very seriously considering switching to a Unix variant + GnuStep (be it Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, etc. - I do not know). The Unix layer of Apple is definitively unsatisfactory. As is their approach to

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-28 Thread Riccardo
Hi, Last time I'd heard, Sun was not interested in releasing the Lighthouse suite of sources - but hey it's worth trying every once in a while, they may change their mind. Anyone know where www.quantrix.com got their code base from, was it written from scratch or licensed from Sun?

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-28 Thread Riccardo
Hi Dr. Toma, I appreciate the enthusiasm you put in your emails. I must say i share many things you say, but not everything, especially not some of your conculsions. While I appreciate your OpenStep-purism to the most since I always fear too that gnustep looses itself and morphs into ither

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-27 Thread Dr Tomaž Slivnik
I suppose I should declare a vested interest - i.e. one of me having *some* nice platform to work with. Windows never was that. Apple could have been that when they bought NeXT, but Mac OS X is becoming increasingly more painful to work with. Linux/Solaris/other Unix by itself (without

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-13 Thread markjoel60
I wanted to jump in on a couple of these points... Here is a key question you need to be able to answer: why would anyone want develop on GnuStep, rather than Mac OS X? Where is your competitive advantage? Not sure this is the right way to ask this, since GNUStep is not an OS. The

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-12 Thread Dr Tomaž Slivnik
What is the perceived need GnuStep wants to satisfy? What is GnuStep's goal / target audience/market? Other than saying as many users as possible I'm not sure what else to say. No system/API/environment should ever specifically target a group of people. People should find us useful and

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-12 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Tomaz, I'm not taking it as a criticism at all. But, as project maintainer, I'm sure you can appreciate my position. I can't say unilaterally that I want to appeal to one group over the other. GNUstep currently most appeals to former NeXT people who are into Mac OS X. However, a lot of

Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-12 Thread Renaud Molla
Dear All, To begin with, I'd like to say that this mail contains what some might consider being criticism. This is true. Criticism is not welcome but is necessary. This is the base of science, this is the base of marketing. But all I want is GNUstep (and actually OpenStep) to come back

GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)

2007-11-11 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Tomaz, What is the perceived need GnuStep wants to satisfy? What is GnuStep's goal / target audience/market? Other than saying as many users as possible I'm not sure what else to say. No system/API/environment should ever specifically target a group of people. People should find us