Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-24 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Jesse Ross wrote: Well, you *did* describe the feature as being, effectively, a glorified mknfonts -- which is useful, but not sufficient. I would suggest something more interactive, so the human using the program gets a chance to affect the result. I would argue the reverse -- make the

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-24 Thread Jesse Ross
I would argue the reverse -- make the initial font conversion a virtually invisible process initially, something that doesn't require any additional user interaction, as painless as just dragging a font into the Font Manager window or clicking the + button on the bottom of the window and

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-23 Thread Jesse Ross
On Aug 23, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Jeff Teunissen wrote: Any font that has many uses is the same way, with many faces for different purposes and desired results. Typography is more than just Regular, Bold, Italic, Bold Italic and it deserves a good system to handle its complexity. The OpenStep

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-23 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
I'm not going to waist my breath arguing over what my app may, or may not, be capable of doing. Since the feature in question hasn't been implemented yet, you can hardly argue either way. (: I get smiles and giggles out of somebody who will compose a mail as long as that to tell me something I

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-23 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
I also now see the reasoning behind nfonts. I didn't start this thread just so I could shoot them down. I wanted to know what the original reasons were ... and now I do. Thanks, Isaiah Beerbower On 8/23/07, Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 23, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Jeff Teunissen wrote:

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-23 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Isaiah Beerbower wrote: I'm not going to waist my breath arguing over what my app may, or may not, be capable of doing. Since the feature in question hasn't been implemented yet, you can hardly argue either way. (: Well, you *did* describe the feature as being, effectively, a glorified

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-23 Thread Jesse Ross
Well, you *did* describe the feature as being, effectively, a glorified mknfonts -- which is useful, but not sufficient. I would suggest something more interactive, so the human using the program gets a chance to affect the result. I would argue the reverse -- make the initial font

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-22 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
On 8/21/07, Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaiah Beerbower wrote: Hello all, Just a quick question about the art back end: For what reason dose it not use fontconfig? Since I'm the guy who suggested using NeXT Font packages (which the Art graphics target supports), as well as

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-22 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Isaiah Beerbower wrote: On 8/21/07, Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Point 3 is partially a reaction to something that drove people using -xlib INSANE, because GNUstep used to crash peoples' X servers all the damn time while building the font cache (this was not *technically*

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-22 Thread Fred Kiefer
I don't want to step into this discussion, I see the benefits of both concepts and in the good old GNustep way I would suggest to have them both in parallel and let the users choose what they prefer. Today I extracted the font enumerator out of the art font files. If anybody wants to replace it,

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-22 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
On 8/22/07, Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaiah Beerbower wrote: On 8/21/07, Jeff Teunissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I can see how it wouldn't be desirable to have GNUstep use every font found by fontconfig. Fontconfig and FreeType can provide us with all the information

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-21 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Isaiah Beerbower wrote: Hello all, Just a quick question about the art back end: For what reason dose it not use fontconfig? Since I'm the guy who suggested using NeXT Font packages (which the Art graphics target supports), as well as the idea of New Font (nfont) packages, I suppose I should

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-20 Thread Riccardo
Hi, On 2007-08-17 18:59:11 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. While these arguments against using fontconfig are valid, the mere annoyance of having to create a bundle for each font you want, and not being able to keep all your fonts in one place, out weighs them in my mind.

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-20 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
On 8/20/07, Riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 2007-08-17 18:59:11 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. While these arguments against using fontconfig are valid, the mere annoyance of having to create a bundle for each font you want, and not being able to keep all

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-20 Thread Gregory John Casamento
, 2007 3:12:19 AM Subject: Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig? Hi, On 2007-08-17 18:59:11 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. While these arguments against using fontconfig are valid, the mere annoyance of having to create a bundle for each font you want, and not being able

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-20 Thread Gregory John Casamento
PROTECTED]; GNUstep Discuss Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:08:50 AM Subject: Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig? Because art and xlib still have advantages and having them is an added flexibility? Although art is an excellent backend, the library it's based on, libart

RE: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-20 Thread Vaisburd, Haim
Gregory John Casamento wrote: Although art is an excellent backend, the library it's based on, libart, is currently unmaintained, and cairo is actively maintained and more Postscript like.Xlib renders poorly, but is fast on very slow systems. [...] Allow me to rephrase... xlib renders

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-20 Thread Yen-Ju Chen
]; GNUstep Discuss Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:08:50 AM Subject: Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig? Because art and xlib still have advantages and having them is an added flexibility? Although art is an excellent backend, the library it's based on, libart

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-18 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
On 8/17/07, Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real reason for that choice could only be given by Alexander Malmberg, who implemented the art backend. I may be able to offer you a few hints, but none of it may be the true reason. Using the nfont concept offers some benefits over

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-17 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
On 8/16/07, Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaiah Beerbower wrote: Hello all, Just a quick question about the art back end: For what reason dose it not use fontconfig? Thanks, Isaiah Beerbower The real reason for that choice could only be given by Alexander Malmberg, who

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-17 Thread Jesse Ross
The real reason for that choice could only be given by Alexander Malmberg, who implemented the art backend. I may be able to offer you a few hints, but none of it may be the true reason. Using the nfont concept offers some benefits over fontconfig. It allows us to assign a Postscript name

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-16 Thread Fred Kiefer
Isaiah Beerbower wrote: Hello all, Just a quick question about the art back end: For what reason dose it not use fontconfig? Thanks, Isaiah Beerbower The real reason for that choice could only be given by Alexander Malmberg, who implemented the art backend. I may be able to offer you a

Re: Why dose art not use fontconfig?

2007-08-15 Thread Isaiah Beerbower
And when I said dose it is only natural that I meant does (= On 8/15/07, Isaiah Beerbower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Just a quick question about the art back end: For what reason dose it not use fontconfig? Thanks, Isaiah Beerbower -- View my website at www.ipaqah.com. Facts