Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-22 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 04/19/2011 09:41 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Of course, currently GNUstep is not targeted to those environments so you need some of homework. But this does not mean that one can build a professional package with it and ship a commercial product both with cygwin and mingw. it is possible and

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Is packaging this works out-of-the-box? I read what you recommended: http://www.gnustep.org/experience/Windows.html there it says a method of how to generate an installer package, but from the context and the example (calculator) I had the impression the installer package is to install the

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-22 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 04/22/2011 05:50 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: It is possible to make one single self-contained application (like iTunes or Safari on windows do) but I don't think it is done with standard tools. I never did it. Thanks! Very informative. -- 我的博客: http://zhangweiwu.ixiezi.com/ 网站进化论

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 19 Apr 2011, at 09:35, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote: On 04/18/2011 04:20 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Currently the only supported way is MinGW. Thanks for the information. I come to realize MinGW+GnuStep setup doesn't have a packaging system or installer like CygWin, thus there are two

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 04/18/2011 04:20 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Currently the only supported way is MinGW. Thanks for the information. I come to realize MinGW+GnuStep setup doesn't have a packaging system or installer like CygWin, thus there are two choices to get applications. 1. To get applications

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Sebastian Reitenbach
Hi, On Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:35:29 am Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote: On 04/18/2011 04:20 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Currently the only supported way is MinGW. Thanks for the information. I come to realize MinGW+GnuStep setup doesn't have a packaging system or installer like CygWin, thus

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Ivan Vučica
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 04:26, Zhang Weiwu zhangwe...@realss.com wrote: On 04/18/2011 06:37 PM, Ivan Vučica wrote: How do I make a choice? - is your app targeted at an end-user who is primarily using Windows? MinGW - is your app targeted at a scientist, or a hacker/hobbyist who doesn't

Re: Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Pirmin Braun
IVAN VUčICA schrieb am Di. 19. Apr '11 13:10:54: Cygwin simply isn't for day-to-day use, and that's it: end-users are not the target audience. MinGW isn't-- afaik WO and YellowBox have been brought to Windows by using cygwin -- mit freundlichen Gruessen/best

Re: Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Ivan Vučica
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 13:34, Pirmin Braun p...@seat-1.com wrote: afaik WO and YellowBox have been brought to Windows by using cygwin Source? First page of Google for: yellow box on windows cygwin does not appear to have a mention of this. -- Ivan Vučica i...@vucica.net Coming

Re: Re: Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Pirmin Braun
IVAN VUčICA schrieb am Di. 19. Apr '11 14:35:10: Source? First page of Google for: yellow box on windows cygwin does not appear to have a mention of this. try i386-next-cygwin32 and I've seen traces in some binaries (gdb.exe, as.exe): i386-next-cygwin32 i386-unknown-cygwin32 cygnus-2.6

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Thanks for the information. I come to realize MinGW+GnuStep setup doesn't have a packaging system or installer like CygWin, thus there are two choices to get applications. 1. To get applications packaged in a Win32 installer. There is only gorm, systempreferences and calculator

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, end-users are not the target audience. MinGW isn't-- afaik WO and YellowBox have been brought to Windows by using cygwin -- That is correct. Cygwin is older than MinGW. If you notice, you can still install MinGW libraries inside Cygwin. One derives from the other. When

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Or you may try OpenBSD instead ;) The number of available libs/applications will grow in not too far future. I have a couple of new ports in the queue. Sebastian is working hard on it, thanks :) To his praise, he is the maintainer of packages who has most communication with the original

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 04/19/2011 09:37 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Well, compiling from source *should* be trivial. Any decently maintained application has tarball releases, often also nightly or beta tarballs. Really? Before I try, I did a bit math to estimate the hours I am going to need. Following are my

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-19 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 04/20/2011 09:11 AM, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote: * Cynthinue depends on qt widget (!!) and nasd. Image the hell of trouble installing these on Windows. A second closer look shows FreeBSD ports forces dependency on arts which depends on qt3. It also forces dependency on esound.

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-18 Thread Fred Kiefer
On 18.04.2011 04:49, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote: Hello. FreeBSD user for 12 years, Linux user for being 8 years. I intend to run GNUStep on one notebook computer. Now after multiple failures to get all device driver running on my notebook computer for as long as half a year (no I am not too

Re: Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-18 Thread Pirmin Braun
FRED KIEFER schrieb am Mo. 18. Apr '11 09:55:01: If you want to use GNUstep on Windows you either need to invest some time to get it working with Cygwin again (which would be a good thing) currently we're trying this. Maybe we can join efforts? -- mit

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I am the kind of using for fun (not coding for fun) and prefer the least trouble way, which almost mean I always choose whatever other chose. So what is the most chosen way to run GNUStep on Windows? Currently the only supported way is MinGW. Cygwin used to work, but its support was left

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-18 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 04/18/2011 04:20 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Remember that you can run the applications inside the VM and then export the display locally to an X server running on the windows part. I did this on a specific setup and the performances were more than acceptable! Enlightening! I almost

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-18 Thread Ivan Vučica
Which distribution is better? Is Cygwin with their X-Server the best? MinGW advertised its superiority on not having whole POSIX there, but for me it isn't an advantage at all, so does it have other advantages or Cygwin better? Not having the whole POSIX is, ironically, an advantage. Cygwin

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-18 Thread David Chisnall
On 18 Apr 2011, at 11:37, Ivan Vučica wrote: How do I make a choice? - is your app targeted at an end-user who is primarily using Windows? MinGW - is your app targeted at a scientist, or a hacker/hobbyist who doesn't mind installing extra software? Cygwin Or, the short version: Cygwin is

Re: what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-18 Thread Zhang Weiwu
Thanks a lot for the detail of technical difference:) I think it's obvious I should choose MinGW. On 04/18/2011 06:37 PM, Ivan Vučica wrote: How do I make a choice? - is your app targeted at an end-user who is primarily using Windows? MinGW - is your app targeted at a scientist, or a

what is the best Windows distribution?

2011-04-17 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
Hello. FreeBSD user for 12 years, Linux user for being 8 years. I intend to run GNUStep on one notebook computer. Now after multiple failures to get all device driver running on my notebook computer for as long as half a year (no I am not too stupid to use google to find driver or compile a module