[PM] Re: [tdf-discuss] Next IRC QA session

2011-06-06 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
Hi Sophie, I know some other issues are more important but I want to remember per PM about my posting (http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg06195.html). Is there any interest on doing this? Then I will post it again on the discussion-list or better on the project-list.

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Gianluca Turconi
2011/6/5 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net Hi, Am 04.06.2011 18:41, schrieb Ian Lynch: On 4 June 2011 17:29, Gianluca Turconipub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote: Is it sure there will be a *product*? I think IBM need it for symphony so on those grounds alone I'd say there will be

[tdf-discuss] Interesting observation wrt donations

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, there's an interesting thing with regards to donations: Since the latest announcements on OpenOffice.org, we're getting nearly three times as many donations as usual. Thanks, folks, for the ongoing support! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering

Re: [tdf-discuss] Interesting observation wrt donations

2011-06-06 Thread Sam Ruby
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, there's an interesting thing with regards to donations: Since the latest announcements on OpenOffice.org, we're getting nearly three times as many donations as usual. Thanks, folks, for the

[tdf-discuss] Re: QA manual test Litmus session on 3.3.3Rc

2011-06-06 Thread plino
Sophie Gautier wrote: My mail was a bit long, I know, but if you read until the end it says I did read it to the end. It would be silly to make comments without reading all ;) It still isn't clear what you don't need technical skills means... Apparently in this community only developers

[tdf-discuss] Code covered by the Oracle grant (was: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-06 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Sam, *, please forward this also to the apache-list where I'm not subscribed (I suggest only Sam does, in order to prevent 50 people forwarding the very same mail :-D) On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Christian Lohmaier

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/06/2011 15:25, Jim Jagielski wrote: now options open and available to LOo and OOo that, until a week ago did not exist. Maybe some of those long-term The major, if not only option is that one can now contribute code directly to IBM, which

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/06/2011 15:00, Jim Jagielski wrote: A formal, legal foundation. The ASF is a recognized 501(c)3, non- TDF might not have 501(c)(3) status, but then consider that it is incorporated in Germany, not the United States. More pointedly, the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/06/2011 10:48, Sam Ruby wrote: of the code that they are willing to share the burden of maintenance with the larger community. You do realize that IBM will _NOT_ contribute any code to Apache OpenOffice don't be. I have to wonder where the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: QA manual test Litmus session on 3.3.3Rc

2011-06-06 Thread sophie
Hi Plino, On 06/06/2011 12:33, plino wrote: Sophie Gautier wrote: My mail was a bit long, I know, but if you read until the end it says I did read it to the end. It would be silly to make comments without reading all ;) Sorry, I should have put a smiley, I didn't want to sound hard It still

Re: [tdf-discuss] Interesting observation wrt donations

2011-06-06 Thread Richard
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, there's an interesting thing with regards to donations: Since the latest announcements on OpenOffice.org, we're getting nearly

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Tom Davies
- Original Message From: sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 12:35:04 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] About elections Hi Tom, On 06/06/2011 14:20, Tom Davies wrote: [...] Hi :) Agreed. But the founders

Re: [tdf-discuss] Interesting observation wrt donations

2011-06-06 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 06/06/2011 10:05, Florian Effenberger ha scritto: Hello, there's an interesting thing with regards to donations: Since the latest announcements on OpenOffice.org, we're getting nearly three times as many donations as usual. Thanks, folks, for the ongoing support! Florian but this

Re: [tdf-discuss] Interesting observation wrt donations

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote on 2011-06-06 13.51: but this donations are for openoffice.org or for TDF libreoffice?? for TDF/LibreOffice. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 |

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:37 AM, toki wrote: I am sure that the concept of the ASF being bullied by IBM or being the pawn of IBM sounds attractive and makes for compelling tweets. The fact is that it's not true, any more so than TDF is a pawn of Novell for example. I am not replying in this case to

[tdf-discuss] Does anyone know when is LO 3.4 going to be available on the Ubuntu PPA?

2011-06-06 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Hello, Does anyone know when is the 3.4 version going to be available in the Ubuntu PPA? Cheers! Jaime R. Garza -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/06/2011 13:25, Jim Jagielski wrote: that his mind is made up, whether based on reality or not. The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to force The

[tdf-discuss] Thai LibreOffice community will celebrate the move to LibreOffice tomorrow

2011-06-06 Thread Samphan Raruenrom
http://openofficeday.osdev.co.th/ Unfortunately, we have to use the name OpenOffice Day this year because we want to get the most attention from businesses. Next year, if we have the chance to organize it again, it'll be LibreOffice day :) It is a 1-day, 1-track press-conference/seminar that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:56 AM, toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/06/2011 13:25, Jim Jagielski wrote: that his mind is made up, whether based on reality or not. The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it crystal clear on the

[tdf-discuss] Simple solution to avoid #VALUE required

2011-06-06 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Hello, The problem is caused by the reasons for Bug 37860 - Formula returns #VALUE in 3.4RC2 but works as expected in 3.3 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37860 Does anybody know a simple solution how to leave calculated cell contents (Empty) instead of Number Value 0 in column H

Re: [tdf-discuss] Thai LibreOffice community will celebrate the move to LibreOffice tomorrow

2011-06-06 Thread sophie
Hi Samphan, On 06/06/2011 19:03, Samphan Raruenrom wrote: http://openofficeday.osdev.co.th/ Unfortunately, we have to use the name OpenOffice Day this year because we want to get the most attention from businesses. Next year, if we have the chance to organize it again, it'll be LibreOffice day

[tdf-discuss] How Close Is TDF...? [WAS Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?]

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
(I've dropped the cross post to the Apache Incubator since I'd like to pick up just the topic of readiness) On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-05 20.39: snip This might not affect other topics, but honestly, I

[tdf-discuss] Re: Simple solution to avoid #VALUE required

2011-06-06 Thread plino
Do you mean using a formula or by changing the source code? Where is the attached file ? :) (This mailing list doesn't support attached files. You need to upload it somewhere) -- View this message in context:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 6/6/11 5:56 PM, toki wrote: The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to force The Apache Foundation to take the project. Wearing my TDF hat, I kindly ask all TDF members and supporters to refrain

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:17, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi Jim, Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-06 18.06: The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it  crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to force  The

Re: [tdf-discuss] Simple solution to avoid #VALUE required

2011-06-06 Thread Uwe Altmann
Hi Am 06.06.11 18:06, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: The problem is caused by the reasons for Bug 37860 - Formula returns #VALUE in 3.4RC2 but works as expected in 3.3 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37860 Does anybody know a simple solution how to leave calculated cell contents

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Simple solution to avoid #VALUE required

2011-06-06 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
plino schrieb: Do you mean using a formula or by changing the source code? Hello, formula, of course. Requests for code changes I would have posted in libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Where is the attached file ? :) In the referenced bug report, of course! (This mailing list doesn't

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Kevin Lau wrote on 2011-06-06 15.35: -Can you help me to understand this Simon posted one possible creative solution? It seems the discussion is making progress. I like to think this is appropriate to be seen in Initial source files (was: OpenOffice: were are we now?) thread than here.

[tdf-discuss] Re: Simple solution to avoid #VALUE required

2011-06-06 Thread plino
Sorry, I assumed you meant attached here, not on the report :) You have two options: dump 3.4 and go for 3.3.3RC1 :) Or use conditional formatting to set the font colour to white if value = 0 -- View this message in context:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:46, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-06 18.36: ... The software grant is a done deal. I happen to believe the proposal will be accepted, but it is not a done deal. Ah, okay - so the software grant exists independent

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Augustine Souza
On 6/6/11, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog. ... In any case... stop assuming that what *one* person says is representative of the entire (ASF) community. That simply isn't true. ... That blog is responsible for quite a lot of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 13:07, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/6/11, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog. ... In any case... stop assuming that what *one* person says is representative of the entire (ASF)

[tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Phipps
My apologies if this proposal is out of place on either list, but I think it's worth thinking about early. Obviously I speak for neither Apache nor TDF but I have a deep concern for OpenOffice.org and am very keen to see the community healed. Given that: * both LibreOffice (October, Paris)

Re: [tdf-discuss] Simple solution to avoid #VALUE required

2011-06-06 Thread Regina Henschel
Hello Rainer, Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: Hello, The problem is caused by the reasons for Bug 37860 - Formula returns #VALUE in 3.4RC2 but works as expected in 3.3 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37860 Does anybody know a simple solution how to leave calculated cell contents

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Danese Cooper
Actually some of us at ConCom are already deep into discussion about what meetings would best support better understanding between parties. As an Apache member, I'm normally quite willing to see email thrash eventually work itself out...but this news has caused so much concern (and circular

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread sophie
Hi Simon, On 06/06/2011 20:18, Simon Phipps wrote: My apologies if this proposal is out of place on either list, but I think it's worth thinking about early. Obviously I speak for neither Apache nor TDF but I have a deep concern for OpenOffice.org and am very keen to see the community

Re: [tdf-discuss] Thai LibreOffice community will celebrate the move to LibreOffice tomorrow

2011-06-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Samphan, sophie wrote (06-06-11 18:10) Thanks for sharing, and the great support of the Thai community. I wish you all the best for your seminar! + 1 Good to read ! -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting

[tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread Andy Brown
I seem to be really missing something in all this talk about the transfer of OOo. 1: What would TDF do with the code? At this point in time LibO is way ahead of OOo in features and code clean up, from the patches flying in the dev list. 2: What would TDF do with the OpenOffice.org name

Re: [tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread sophie
HI, On 06/06/2011 22:20, Andy Brown wrote: I seem to be really missing something in all this talk about the transfer of OOo. and we really have work to do on our next versions, believe me, talking/reading is really time consuming 1: What would TDF do with the code? At this point in time

Re: [tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread James Walker
I believe he is asking Why would we want the code to begin with at this point. at the time of the fork, we already had all the code that was in OOo up to that point, now LO has added more code, cleaned up a lot of code, and has the backing of several large Linux companies. So why at this point

Re: [tdf-discuss] How Close Is TDF...? [WAS Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?]

2011-06-06 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi Robert, 2011/6/6 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-05 20.39: snip This might not affect other topics, but honestly, I think the perception of what

Re: [tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread sophie
On 06/06/2011 22:54, James Walker wrote: I believe he is asking I believe I was answering Why would we want the code to begin with at this point. there is no questioning right now because their is no 'would' and there is no 'code'. So as I said, wait for the real to discuss the 'want' and

Re: [tdf-discuss] How Close Is TDF...? [WAS Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?]

2011-06-06 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi Robert, 2011/6/6 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: Until the TDF has taken that last step, expect to be challenged about your readiness ;-) I'd like to take up your offer :-) But here on this list and on the

Re: [tdf-discuss] How Close Is TDF...? [WAS Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?]

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-06 22.13: Good to see the list... Not knowing things for sure, but I would guess that Oracle had issues with #3, which gave away (what I would expect to be) huge chunks of h/w infrastructure, esp to an entity which was still in the process (though close!) of

Re: [tdf-discuss] How Close Is TDF...? [WAS Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?]

2011-06-06 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi, 2011/6/6 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com: On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote: 2011/6/6 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: Until the TDF has taken that last step, expect to be challenged about your readiness ;-) I'd like to take up your offer :-) But

Re: [tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread todd rme
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: I seem to be really missing something in all this talk about the transfer of OOo. 1: What would TDF do with the code?  At this point in time LibO is way ahead of OOo in features and code clean up, from the patches

[tdf-discuss] Re: Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
todd rme wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Andy Brown lt;a...@the-martin-byrd.netgt; wrote: Instead, what we are looking at one group having the name and official control of the code base, and the other [...] Nah. they will get the trademark, or more exactly, for now, a grant to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Derman
Andy Brown wrote: I seem to be really missing something in all this talk about the transfer of OOo. 1: What would TDF do with the code? At this point in time LibO is way ahead of OOo in features and code clean up, from the patches flying in the dev list. 2: What would TDF do with the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Boehm
On 06/06/2011 06:32 PM, Robert Derman wrote: Andy Brown wrote: I seem to be really missing something in all this talk about the transfer of OOo. 1: What would TDF do with the code? At this point in time LibO is way ahead of OOo in features and code clean up, from the patches flying in

[tdf-discuss] Re: QA manual test Litmus session on 3.3.3Rc

2011-06-06 Thread plino
Sophie Gautier wrote: Sorry, I should have put a smiley, I didn't want to sound hard You were not, don't worry ;) Sophie Gautier wrote: There is a lot to do in our project that doesn't need to be developer or too technical. Why do you feel that and what should we change to enhance

[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread NoOp
On 06/04/2011 05:10 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: ... Whether OOo lives or dies in Apache, Oracle has made it abundantly clear that this is it... This is one promise I fully expect Oracle will keep :/ Interesting... Could you clarify that statement? 1. @ASF: What happens to OOo if ASF votes *not*

[steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello everyone, given that the Foundation is close to being created, and that we have now nearly 100 approved members (thanks to the membership committee for their great work!), I guess that in the near future we should think about holding elections for the future board of directors. IIRC,

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think 100 is still quite small compared to the numbers of people actually involved. So the list of members is still more like a special-interest sub-set. The founder members are doing a great job and i hope that they stay in place for a long while yet. Regards from Tom :) -

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Tom, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-06-06 11.22: I think 100 is still quite small compared to the numbers of people actually involved. So the list of members is still more like a special-interest sub-set. The founder members are doing a great job and i hope that they stay in place for a long

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Tom Davies
- Original Message From: Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 11:02:56 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] About elections Hi, 2011/6/6 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Tom Davies wrote on

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread sophie
Hi Volker, all, On 06/06/2011 13:02, Volker Merschmann wrote: [...] I'd like to add that not every contributor wants to be a member of the foundation. Especially those who are payed for the work might not like to have a too personal connection. We can ask the membership committee if there is a

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Tom Davies
- Original Message From: sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 12:10:30 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] About elections Hi Volker, all, On 06/06/2011 13:02, Volker Merschmann wrote: [...] I'd like to add that

[steering-discuss] Donations page ...

2011-06-06 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Marc, So ! thanks for your awesome work around the 3.4features page - very much appreciated. Since you're clearly so effective in making our webpages look pretty, I was wondering ... Is there any chance you could help fix / improve our donations page ? first - IMHO we

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: - Original Message From: sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 12:35:04 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] About elections Hi Tom, On 06/06/2011

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Michael Meeks
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 09:41 -0500, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: Until then it is pretty much vaporware and there is not much to do, even less to vote about. 100% agreed. I'm eager to vote in support of / on our SC - since it seems some criticise them for being un-elected :-) Nice to knock

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:52:17 +0100, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com a écrit : On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 09:41 -0500, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: Until then it is pretty much vaporware and there is not much to do, even less to vote about. 100% agreed. I'm eager to vote in support of

Re: [steering-discuss] About elections

2011-06-06 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 6/6/11 8:07 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Michael Meeksmichael.me...@novell.com a écrit : 100% agreed. I'm eager to vote in support of / on our SC - since it seems some criticise them for being un-elected :-) Nice to knock down all the objections one by one of course. +1 +1