Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hello Pedro, 2012/1/22 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Hello Pedro, 2012/1/21 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Hi Charles Charles-H. Schulz wrote - if the icon was changed (I don't think it has, my 3.5 beta still has the floppy icon on the mac) then it means someone provided a replacement icon. It certainly has under Windows. Hmm... it does not make sense (not what you say, but what's going on), because we don't ship different icons -under the same iconset- on different platforms. I do believe you, but would you be so kind as taking a screenshot of your screen and post it somewhere (flickr, imgur) as this list does not support attachments? I can do that as well on my side. Charles-H. Schulz wrote Again I don't remember it was the case, but changes do not occur though discussion, they do occur through effective contribution :-) Of course discussion without contribution is just a waste of time, but contribution without discussion is anarchy, is it not? :) Yes and no; the discussion needs to happen on the relevant list or on the bugzilla and then, it does not need to take long or every item :-) Best, Charles. So the iconset was indeed changed at the Beta 3 (I had the beta 2 running) and no, it was not well communicated, but the discussion took place on ux-advise and the design list. best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Charles-H. Schulz wrote So the iconset was indeed changed at the Beta 3 (I had the beta 2 running) and no, it was not well communicated, but the discussion took place on ux-advise and the design list. I also remained (deliberately) on Beta2 in order to test the Update mechanism. I jumped directly to RC1 (I missed Beta3 because it was only available officially for 5 days) Your answer is not very clear: does this mean the icon will change for all platforms? Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3681543.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
2012/1/23 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Charles-H. Schulz wrote So the iconset was indeed changed at the Beta 3 (I had the beta 2 running) and no, it was not well communicated, but the discussion took place on ux-advise and the design list. I also remained (deliberately) on Beta2 in order to test the Update mechanism. I jumped directly to RC1 (I missed Beta3 because it was only available officially for 5 days) Your answer is not very clear: does this mean the icon will change for all platforms? That would seem to be the case, yes. best, Charles Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3681543.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hello Pedro, 2012/1/21 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Hi Charles Charles-H. Schulz wrote - if the icon was changed (I don't think it has, my 3.5 beta still has the floppy icon on the mac) then it means someone provided a replacement icon. It certainly has under Windows. Hmm... it does not make sense (not what you say, but what's going on), because we don't ship different icons -under the same iconset- on different platforms. I do believe you, but would you be so kind as taking a screenshot of your screen and post it somewhere (flickr, imgur) as this list does not support attachments? I can do that as well on my side. Charles-H. Schulz wrote Again I don't remember it was the case, but changes do not occur though discussion, they do occur through effective contribution :-) Of course discussion without contribution is just a waste of time, but contribution without discussion is anarchy, is it not? :) Yes and no; the discussion needs to happen on the relevant list or on the bugzilla and then, it does not need to take long or every item :-) Best, Charles. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678324.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hi again Charles Charles-H. Schulz wrote Hmm... it does not make sense (not what you say, but what's going on), because we don't ship different icons -under the same iconset- on different platforms. I do believe you, but would you be so kind as taking a screenshot of your screen and post it somewhere (flickr, imgur) as this list does not support attachments? I can do that as well on my side. Of course. Here are the small (Auto) size icons using the Automatic (Tango) style http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/LO_3.5.0RC1_Small_icons.png and here are the large size icons http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/LO_3.5.0RC1_Large_icons.png This is under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 There is no need for you to do the same. Charles-H. Schulz wrote Yes and no; the discussion needs to happen on the relevant list or on the bugzilla and then, it does not need to take long or every item :-) I agree that discussing every item would be a waste of time and would freeze such a large project, but changing a symbol that is universally accepted in any country in the World, under any OS, in any application doesn't seem something that can be modified without wide acceptance. Please understand: I don't have a particular fetish with floppy disks. I just think it that it doesn't make sense to change things that users rely on just because you can. Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3679309.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hi Pedro, *, Am 22.01.2012 13:43 schrieb Pedro: [..] I just think it that it doesn't make sense to change things that users rely on just because you can. +1 Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Apparently someone decided that it was a good idea to replace the Floppy icon. I'm sorry I didn't get a change to vote (if there was any voting) Personally I think that regardless if people know what a Floppy is, they recognized that symbol as the Save icon (basically a blue square with a white rectangle). Today I loaded LO 3.5.0 RC1 and for a moment I thought the Save button was gone, until I realized it was replaced by another icon. I would like to understand how or when this was decided so that next time I can have a say (or not, if user input is not required or wanted) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678013.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
On 21/01/12 16:21, Pedro wrote: Apparently someone decided that it was a good idea to replace the Floppy icon. I'm sorry I didn't get a change to vote (if there was any voting) Personally I think that regardless if people know what a Floppy is, they recognized that symbol as the Save icon (basically a blue square with a white rectangle). Today I loaded LO 3.5.0 RC1 and for a moment I thought the Save button was gone, until I realized it was replaced by another icon. I would like to understand how or when this was decided so that next time I can have a say (or not, if user input is not required or wanted) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678013.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. What icon set are you using? I have 3.5RC1 installed under both Xubuntu 11.10 and Win7 and have the floppy icon for save in both (using the crystal and galaxy icons). Terry W -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Terry Warby wrote What icon set are you using? I have 3.5RC1 installed under both Xubuntu 11.10 and Win7 and have the floppy icon for save in both (using the crystal and galaxy icons). I was using the Automatic (Tango) icon set. I guess from now on I will have to manually switch to another icon set. I am aware that I can switch icon sets. Actually I had already switched before posting here. The point is: did everybody agree that the Floppy icon was a bad idea so that it is no longer the default for any new user? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678054.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
On 21/01/12 16:51, Pedro wrote: Terry Warby wrote What icon set are you using? I have 3.5RC1 installed under both Xubuntu 11.10 and Win7 and have the floppy icon for save in both (using the crystal and galaxy icons). I was using the Automatic (Tango) icon set. I guess from now on I will have to manually switch to another icon set. I am aware that I can switch icon sets. Actually I had already switched before posting here. The point is: did everybody agree that the Floppy icon was a bad idea so that it is no longer the default for any new user? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678054.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I didn't follow the thread that closely earlier on, but I seem to remember that somebody said that some of the available icon sets did not use the floppy icon for save. Is that correct or is my memory in error? Terry W -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
On 21/01/12 16:51, Pedro wrote: Terry Warby wrote What icon set are you using? I have 3.5RC1 installed under both Xubuntu 11.10 and Win7 and have the floppy icon for save in both (using the crystal and galaxy icons). I was using the Automatic (Tango) icon set. I guess from now on I will have to manually switch to another icon set. I am aware that I can switch icon sets. Actually I had already switched before posting here. The point is: did everybody agree that the Floppy icon was a bad idea so that it is no longer the default for any new user? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678054.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Just did a quick check and it seams that of the icon sets I have installed only the tango icon sets don't use the floppy icon. This was probably covered earlier in the thread! Terry W -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Terry Warby wrote Just did a quick check and it seams that of the icon sets I have installed only the tango icon sets don't use the floppy icon. This was probably covered earlier in the thread! At least I can't find any decision or voting... That is what I'm trying to understand. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678103.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Terry On 21 January 2012 17:15, Terry Warby twcw.chenh...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/01/12 16:51, Pedro wrote: Terry Warby wrote What icon set are you using? I have 3.5RC1 installed under both Xubuntu 11.10 and Win7 and have the floppy icon for save in both (using the crystal and galaxy icons). I was using the Automatic (Tango) icon set. I guess from now on I will have to manually switch to another icon set. I am aware that I can switch icon sets. Actually I had already switched before posting here. The point is: did everybody agree that the Floppy icon was a bad idea so that it is no longer the default for any new user? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.** documentfoundation.org/Can-we-**replace-Floppy-Disk-** tp3617084p3678054.htmlhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678054.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I didn't follow the thread that closely earlier on, but I seem to remember that somebody said that some of the available icon sets did not use the floppy icon for save. Is that correct or is my memory in error? Terry W It was me that said that Ubuntu uses an icon set, by default, that does not use a floppy disk. I have been using LO in Ubuntu for over a year and hadn't noticed that change until this discussion started. As far as I know, there has been no decision, just a lot of discussion. Most of the participants in the discussion seem to want the floppy icon kept. Personally, from my experience, it doesn't seem to matter. Tony -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hi, 2012/1/21 Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk Terry On 21 January 2012 17:15, Terry Warby twcw.chenh...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/01/12 16:51, Pedro wrote: Terry Warby wrote What icon set are you using? I have 3.5RC1 installed under both Xubuntu 11.10 and Win7 and have the floppy icon for save in both (using the crystal and galaxy icons). I was using the Automatic (Tango) icon set. I guess from now on I will have to manually switch to another icon set. I am aware that I can switch icon sets. Actually I had already switched before posting here. The point is: did everybody agree that the Floppy icon was a bad idea so that it is no longer the default for any new user? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.** documentfoundation.org/Can-we-**replace-Floppy-Disk-** tp3617084p3678054.html http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678054.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I didn't follow the thread that closely earlier on, but I seem to remember that somebody said that some of the available icon sets did not use the floppy icon for save. Is that correct or is my memory in error? Terry W It was me that said that Ubuntu uses an icon set, by default, that does not use a floppy disk. I have been using LO in Ubuntu for over a year and hadn't noticed that change until this discussion started. As far as I know, there has been no decision, just a lot of discussion. Most of the participants in the discussion seem to want the floppy icon kept. Personally, from my experience, it doesn't seem to matter. I didn't follow the discussion closely, but I can tell you two things: - the discussion on this list (the discuss list) did not lead to any decision; however the discussion on the design list might have done that as it is the right mailing list for design and UX contributors, so that's the normal way to go - if the icon was changed (I don't think it has, my 3.5 beta still has the floppy icon on the mac) then it means someone provided a replacement icon. Again I don't remember it was the case, but changes do not occur though discussion, they do occur through effective contribution :-) Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hi Charles Charles-H. Schulz wrote - if the icon was changed (I don't think it has, my 3.5 beta still has the floppy icon on the mac) then it means someone provided a replacement icon. It certainly has under Windows. Charles-H. Schulz wrote Again I don't remember it was the case, but changes do not occur though discussion, they do occur through effective contribution :-) Of course discussion without contribution is just a waste of time, but contribution without discussion is anarchy, is it not? :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678324.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hello! On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:01:26 - Harold Fuchs hwfa.gmanen...@gmail.com wrote: The icon for opening a previously saved document is an open folder with a curved arrow pointing *out of* it. If a change to the Save icon is deemed necessary, perhaps it could become the same open folder but with the curved arrow pointing *into* it. Or would that be too confusing to the eye? Different colour(s)? I guess, such suggestion has appeared earlier in this list. My point of view is that there is simply no _need_ to change something that works well. But of course, people a free to change everything they want in the free software world -- and I believe we all respect this freedom. And of course, LibreOffice will work as well with any other icon set, and the users will not stop using it just because of the icons change. :) I was just expressing my opinion. Like voting or something like that. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
I have seen a bunch of discussion related to get rid of Floppy Disk because it is antiquated, but I am unclear on the qualifications of the people making the decisions. Is this just a random opinion one way or another, or are the participants somehow qualified or familiar with human factors, GUI Design, and similar? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
v...@ukr.net wrote in message news:20120112001553.6c327f8b.v...@ukr.net... I like the floppy icon. HDD icon is being broadly used nowadays, but as somebody pointed in this thread, not every user is familiar with computer inside, so changing from one thing that they haven't seen to another one which they also haven't seen doesn't make much sense. Optical drive icon is a bad variant because people usually do not save the documents directly to the optical drive; instead they usually tend to associate the CD icon with CD/DVD burning process. USB icon is also not a better solution, because not every user knows what this sign means (although they probably can see it on many different devices). In any case, the traditional Foppy icon just works. Why changing something that works? The policy of making changes for their own sake does not seem a good one to me. Just my thoughts. Regards, Vladimir The icon for opening a previously saved document is an open folder with a curved arrow pointing *out of* it. If a change to the Save icon is deemed necessary, perhaps it could become the same open folder but with the curved arrow pointing *into* it. Or would that be too confusing to the eye? Different colour(s)? -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Erich Christian wrote (30-12-11 11:45) I'd go for a change, neither elderly people nor 'youngsters' associate anything useful with the symbol. Having asked my teenagers (13, 16, 19) who are familiar with computers ever since, they cannot remember floppy although I've been using some until a couple of years ago and also their machines came with floppy slots for long... IMO most important question is what people look for if they want to store something. For me that would be a Ctrl-S-icon ;-) And I guess ... for most other it is the well known icon ?! -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
On 12/29/2011 5:23 AM, Tony Pursell wrote: On 29 December 2011 00:29, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 12/28/2011 03:59 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/28/2011 02:46 PM, Tony Pursell wrote: ... Until I checked it out just now, I didn't realise that the Save icon used in the Ubuntu version of LO is actually a broad green downward arrow on top of a representation of a Hard drive. Now, I have had no problems saving documents, so I imagine that things like the position of the icon (next to the Open File icon) and the tool tip are all part of identifying the Save icon. When I looked at the floppy disk icon on my wife's Win 7 version, I realise how old fashioned it looks. Tony That is because you have your icon style set to 'Human'. Ubuntu includes openoffice.org-style-human and libreoffice-style-human in their repositories. If LO provided the same set the default to 'Human' the save icon would be the same (disk drive with a down arrow). Correction: libreoffice-style-humanity See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/757304 Thanks for the explanation of why Ubuntu is different. The point I am making is that an old fashioned floppy disk is not the only icon used for Save and the world will not come to an end if some other appropriate, and more modern, icon is used in its place. Having said that, a hard drive may be old fashioned in a few years time when SSDs become the norm. Tony I haven't heard of Delete/Eraser that works as well on SSDs as traditional hard drives. That said USB will be the most common storage media soon enough. Who saves to CDs at work? I don't think the icon is a big deal, the whole interface is dated, I pitched a Firefox addon-like interface a while back, but I'm still ahead of my time on that. Rather than reinventing the wheel, update the saveicon with a stock USB icon: a vertical USB icon, it looks like a human carrying stuff and you have the integrated download arrow, and it is a recognized symbol on cameras, phones, TVs, etc. http://imagebin.org/190980 -- GnuPG is Free Software (meaning that it respects your freedom). Extensible, customizable text editor---GNU Emacs; Where's yours? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
On 12/30/2011 08:12 AM, M Robinson wrote: ... I haven't heard of Delete/Eraser that works as well on SSDs as traditional hard drives. That said USB will be the most common storage media soon enough. Who saves to CDs at work? I don't think the icon is a big deal, the whole interface is dated, I pitched a Firefox addon-like interface a while back, but I'm still ahead of my time on that. Rather than reinventing the wheel, update the saveicon with a stock USB icon: a vertical USB icon, it looks like a human carrying stuff and you have the integrated download arrow, and it is a recognized symbol on cameras, phones, TVs, etc. http://imagebin.org/190980 Rather than reinvent the wheel: Stock icons: GNOME Humanity: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/scalable/actions/document-save.svg [my system Humanity: /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/16/document-save.svg matches the one from freedesktop.org] Tango: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/document-save.png?view=co [which is not used by LO when the Tango theme is selected - LO still uses a floppy with the Tango theme. My system Tango: /usr/share/icons/Tango/22x22/actions/document-save.png matches the one from freedesktop.org] freedesktop.org Icon Theme Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html document-save The icon for the save action. Should be an arrow pointing down and toward a hard disk. I suspect that LO are still using these icons for Tango: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-OOo [Tango OpenOffice.org 2.0 -Note this artwork is not public domain.] However, that standard Tango icons *are* public domain: http://tango.freedesktop.org/ quote Terms Of Use The Tango base icon theme is released to the Public Domain. The palette is in public domain. Developers, feel free to ship it along with your application. The icon naming utilities are licensed under the GPL. Though the tango-icon-theme package is released to the Public Domain, we ask that you still please attribute the Tango Desktop Project, for all the hard work we've done. Thanks. /quote -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
M Robinson wrote: SNIP I haven't heard of Delete/Eraser that works as well on SSDs as traditional hard drives. That said USB will be the most common storage media soon enough. Who saves to CDs at work? I don't think the icon is a big deal, the whole interface is dated, I pitched a Firefox addon-like interface a while back, but I'm still ahead of my time on that. Rather than reinventing the wheel, update the saveicon with a stock USB icon: a vertical USB icon, it looks like a human carrying stuff and you have the integrated download arrow, and it is a recognized symbol on cameras, phones, TVs, etc. I am retired now, but I used to be a system builder, and I still build one once in a while. The point is, new motherboard designs no longer even include floppy interface connectors. If you use a floppy drive, it is most likely to be to input important (old) files into your computer that only existed on floppy, and you will do it using a floppy drive connected to a USB interface. That said, I think that because you might use your systems hard drive, an optical disk, or a USB memory thumb drive, or even the cloud to store a document, it might be best to just represent the save with a little square with the letters [SV] inside to represent save. I myself use hard drive for most saves, USB for back-up saves, and optical disk for archival saves because optical disks are dirt cheap. I just figured out that a DVD+-R with over 4 Gig of storage actually costs less than one of the old 3.5 floppies that only held 1.4 Mb, which is over 3000 times as much capacity, which is why the floppy is dead. I still have one or two old floppy drives laying around my old parts, but I tossed the last of my floppy disks in the trash a year or two ago. A bit of trivia here, Windows 95 came on a set of 13 floppy disks, and at the time of Windows 98 you had to use a floppy disk to input the drivers to interface with an optical drive before you could install the OS which came on a CD-ROM. As recently as 2 years ago you still had to use a floppy drive to input the drivers to enable RAID. Another bit of trivia, a DVD recording drive now actually costs less than a 3.5 floppy drive used to cost, plus you couldn't play movies on a floppy drive. (technically you can record motion pictures on a floppy, but they have to be of rather short duration) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
2011/12/30 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net On 12/30/2011 08:12 AM, M Robinson wrote: ... I haven't heard of Delete/Eraser that works as well on SSDs as traditional hard drives. That said USB will be the most common storage media soon enough. Who saves to CDs at work? I don't think the icon is a big deal, the whole interface is dated, I pitched a Firefox addon-like interface a while back, but I'm still ahead of my time on that. Rather than reinventing the wheel, update the saveicon with a stock USB icon: a vertical USB icon, it looks like a human carrying stuff and you have the integrated download arrow, and it is a recognized symbol on cameras, phones, TVs, etc. http://imagebin.org/190980 Rather than reinvent the wheel: Stock icons: GNOME Humanity: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/scalable/actions/document-save.svg [my system Humanity: /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/16/document-save.svg matches the one from freedesktop.org] Tango: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/document-save.png?view=co [which is not used by LO when the Tango theme is selected - LO still uses a floppy with the Tango theme. My system Tango: /usr/share/icons/Tango/22x22/actions/document-save.png matches the one from freedesktop.org] freedesktop.org Icon Theme Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html document-save The icon for the save action. Should be an arrow pointing down and toward a hard disk. I suspect that LO are still using these icons for Tango: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-OOo [Tango OpenOffice.org 2.0 -Note this artwork is not public domain.] However, that standard Tango icons *are* public domain: http://tango.freedesktop.org/ quote Terms Of Use The Tango base icon theme is released to the Public Domain. The palette is in public domain. Developers, feel free to ship it along with your application. The icon naming utilities are licensed under the GPL. Though the tango-icon-theme package is released to the Public Domain, we ask that you still please attribute the Tango Desktop Project, for all the hard work we've done. Thanks. /quote Personally, I like the arrow pointing downward towards a harddisk (would look much the same if it were interpreted as an SSD), but please give us some advance notice, so that I can prepare myself for the task of explaining to my retirees «what they did with the TV on my screen» :-) Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
On 29 December 2011 00:29, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 12/28/2011 03:59 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/28/2011 02:46 PM, Tony Pursell wrote: ... Until I checked it out just now, I didn't realise that the Save icon used in the Ubuntu version of LO is actually a broad green downward arrow on top of a representation of a Hard drive. Now, I have had no problems saving documents, so I imagine that things like the position of the icon (next to the Open File icon) and the tool tip are all part of identifying the Save icon. When I looked at the floppy disk icon on my wife's Win 7 version, I realise how old fashioned it looks. Tony That is because you have your icon style set to 'Human'. Ubuntu includes openoffice.org-style-human and libreoffice-style-human in their repositories. If LO provided the same set the default to 'Human' the save icon would be the same (disk drive with a down arrow). Correction: libreoffice-style-humanity See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/757304 Thanks for the explanation of why Ubuntu is different. The point I am making is that an old fashioned floppy disk is not the only icon used for Save and the world will not come to an end if some other appropriate, and more modern, icon is used in its place. Having said that, a hard drive may be old fashioned in a few years time when SSDs become the norm. Tony -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
next generation won't find a floppy disk in real life. we better use some thing else On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.ukwrote: On 29 December 2011 00:29, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 12/28/2011 03:59 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/28/2011 02:46 PM, Tony Pursell wrote: ... Until I checked it out just now, I didn't realise that the Save icon used in the Ubuntu version of LO is actually a broad green downward arrow on top of a representation of a Hard drive. Now, I have had no problems saving documents, so I imagine that things like the position of the icon (next to the Open File icon) and the tool tip are all part of identifying the Save icon. When I looked at the floppy disk icon on my wife's Win 7 version, I realise how old fashioned it looks. Tony That is because you have your icon style set to 'Human'. Ubuntu includes openoffice.org-style-human and libreoffice-style-human in their repositories. If LO provided the same set the default to 'Human' the save icon would be the same (disk drive with a down arrow). Correction: libreoffice-style-humanity See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/757304 Thanks for the explanation of why Ubuntu is different. The point I am making is that an old fashioned floppy disk is not the only icon used for Save and the world will not come to an end if some other appropriate, and more modern, icon is used in its place. Having said that, a hard drive may be old fashioned in a few years time when SSDs become the norm. Tony -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
