[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows

2013-03-14 Thread Pedro
Hi Stuart


V Stuart Foote wrote
> Install directory to be adjusted to "LibreOffice 4",  rather than dropping
> numbered versioning completely as proposed.
> 
> Also won't adopt for 4.0.3, so soonest implementation will be at 4.1.0 RC1

Thank you for the update. 

I don't see any logic in this half-way solution. Instead of fixing this
permanently (by simply removing the number), the ESC postponed this into
2015 (or whenever version 5.0 is released)

Why insist on the Linux model under Windows? Mozilla Firefox changes major
version about every month. Do they have a version named folder?

Answering Andras question "are there really migration problems?" If the
question is: are there study cases where this has been demonstrated to be an
obstacle? Then the answer is "No. But unfortunately, there aren't that many
study case reports"

Yet, there are problems: you need to reinstall All User extensions for every
version change. If keeping extensions is acceptable for User extensions
(which potentially are installed by less knowledgeable users than the system
admin) why not use the same logic for extensions that affect all users in a
machine?

Please consider these facts.

Pedro



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[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows

2013-03-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
The enhancement was discussed at ESC mtg  today (
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4043820.html )

Install directory to be adjusted to "LibreOffce 4",  rather than dropping
numbered versioning completely as proposed.

Also won't adopt for 4.0.3, so soonest implementation will be at 4.1.0 RC1

Stuart



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[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows

2013-03-13 Thread Pedro
Hi Andras


Andras Timar wrote
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Pedro <

> pedlino@

> > wrote:
>>
>> So my question is: is there any reason that LibreOffice under Windows
>> does
>> not install to \LibreOffice\?
>>
> Not really. AFAIK it is just a legacy setting. Default install
> location can be changed either from installer UI, or by the
> INSTALLLOCATION property from the msiexec's command line. All
> settings, registry keys etc. will accommodate automatically.
> 
> Migration of extensions is a different issue, I'm not an expert of that.

So in theory it would not be a problem changing this (for the Windows OS
only) to default to an un-numbered folder.

If  \LibreOffice\ is the default folder, there is no need for extension
migration at all. They are already where the program expects them, just like
the User extensions.

Enhancement request added to Bugzilla
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303

Best regards,
Pedro



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[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows

2013-03-10 Thread Pedro
Hi Stuart

Thank you for your answer!


V Stuart Foote wrote
> There are a few issues that make it problematic.  Paramount is that the
> .MSI packaging for Microsoft Installer is kind of fragile, and Andras
> Timar is just one deep as primary maintainer of the multilanguage
> packaging.  We'd need to hear from Andras and some of the other Windows
> integrators about just how much work is needed--and what it could
> potentially break.  And also their assessment of the impact it would have
> on addressing other higher priority issues with Windows builds, e.g. file
> associations, 64-bit installer logic, integration with Windows 8 shell,
> etc.

That is exactly what I would like to hear. I believe that it would make file
associations easier (because the path would not change with each new .1
version)


V Stuart Foote wrote
> One unintentional advantage of retaining a versioned installation under
> Windows is the ability to cleanly install the base program and bundled
> extensions into its own directory with no impact from non-managed
> extensions.

That is a two edged sword :) On one hand it does start from a clean slate.
On the other hand the user/admin will have to remember and reinstall all the
extensions set for all users. And that can be a serious productivity
stopper...

I believe that in the future LO must have a compatibility checker like
Mozilla

Another disadvantage is that for each .1 update there will be a remaining
\LO x.x\shared folder left behind. That means that someone who has been
updating since version 3.3 and is now using 4.0 should now have four
leftover folders.
This has two down sides: The wasted disk space (depending on the number of
extensions used) and the "sloppy" image (I know other Windows uninstallers
fail to remove all traces, but those are the BAD uninstallers and LO doesn't
want to compare to those ;) )


V Stuart Foote wrote
> None the less, it is a reasonable enhancement, submit an enhancement
> bug--should get additional perspective that way.

Will do. But I would like to have some more feedback on this topic. Maybe
even from Andras, since you mention he is the expert.

Pedro



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[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows

2013-03-10 Thread V Stuart Foote
 
Pedro wrote
> So my question is: is there any reason that LibreOffice under Windows does
> not install to \LibreOffice\?

There are a few issues that make it problematic.  Paramount is that the .MSI
packaging for Microsoft Installer is kind of fragile, and Andras Timar is
just one deep as primary maintainer of the multilanguage packaging.  We'd
need to hear from Andras and some of the other Windows integrators about
just how much work is needed--and what it could potentially break.  And also
their assessment of the impact it would have on addressing other higher
priority issues with Windows builds, e.g. file associations, 64-bit
installer logic, integration with Windows 8 shell, etc.

Also, the .MSI packaging does correctly handle the bundled
extensions--installation, upgrade and removal. Only 3rd party UNO API
extensions are an issue where the majority of the cross platform extensions
are written for use both on  AOO and LibreOffice and on Windows are
structured to install against the versioned installations.  No indications
AOO is moving to adopt non-versioned program installation folder for
Windows, which would likely complicate maintenance and potentially the
availability of specific extensions for LibreOffice.

One unintentional advantage of retaining a versioned installation under
Windows is the ability to cleanly install the base program and bundled
extensions into its own directory with no impact from non-managed
extensions.

None the less, it is a reasonable enhancement, submit an enhancement
bug--should get additional perspective that way.

Stuart



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