Re: Topic of board-discuss list (was: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors)
I guess what Thorsten means is that in the case of the board discuss list Nabble might be misconfigured. Jean Weber and David Nelson posted on it less than a month ago, so at least it works with the standard mailing list usage. Besides the BoD always intended to make this list a list where members can raise gouvernance related question so it cannot be intended to be read only for non board members. Best, Charles. Le 1 oct. 2012 20:17, "Pedro" a écrit : > Thorsten Behrens wrote > > No idea - if you subscribe via > > > board-discuss+subscribe@ > > > , you can post w/o > > moderation, like on every other TDF mailing list. Nabble > > misconfiguration? > > It is not a misconfiguration. It is a different configuration. > > I think you are misinterpreting the words "Public discussion list for the > Document Foundation board of directors". It is exactly what it means: a > discussion list FOR the TDF BoD members ONLY with open contents (anyone can > read for the sake of transparency), but not open participation. > > The Discuss list is for open participation. > > Cheers, > Pedro > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Rules-of-Procedure-approved-for-TDF-board-of-directors-tp4010079p4010381.html > Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Topic of board-discuss list (was: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors)
Thorsten Behrens wrote > No idea - if you subscribe via > board-discuss+subscribe@ > , you can post w/o > moderation, like on every other TDF mailing list. Nabble > misconfiguration? It is not a misconfiguration. It is a different configuration. I think you are misinterpreting the words "Public discussion list for the Document Foundation board of directors". It is exactly what it means: a discussion list FOR the TDF BoD members ONLY with open contents (anyone can read for the sake of transparency), but not open participation. The Discuss list is for open participation. Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Rules-of-Procedure-approved-for-TDF-board-of-directors-tp4010079p4010381.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Topic of board-discuss list (was: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors)
Pedro wrote: > I'm not sure that is the idea. Otherwise you would not get the following > message when you try to post to that list on Nabble > > " Authorized Users Only > Only authorized users can proceed in this area. You can use the form below > to send a request to the administrators. > Access Request > No idea - if you subscribe via board-discuss+subscr...@documentfoundation.org, you can post w/o moderation, like on every other TDF mailing list. Nabble misconfiguration? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Topic of board-discuss list (was: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors)
Thorsten Behrens wrote > terribly sorry if we ever gave that impression. Admittedly, the > entry on http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ was worded > like that ("Public discussions of the Board of Directors"), but I'm > rather certain it should read "List for focused interaction of the > public with the Board of Directors" instead. Page changed > accordingly, board-discuss in Cc: in case there's disagreement. ;) I'm not sure that is the idea. Otherwise you would not get the following message when you try to post to that list on Nabble " Authorized Users Only Only authorized users can proceed in this area. You can use the form below to send a request to the administrators. Access Request Explain to the administrator(s) why you want to access this restricted area. " I particularly like the part "Explain why" So I guess it was not meant for "interaction of the public". Maybe "interaction of the members" at best... Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Rules-of-Procedure-approved-for-TDF-board-of-directors-tp4010079p4010349.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Topic of board-discuss list (was: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors)
Marc Paré wrote: > Thanks. I am subscribed to that list, but was not aware that the > membership was allowed to join in. I thought that that particular > list was for board discussion only by board members only. > Hi Marc, terribly sorry if we ever gave that impression. Admittedly, the entry on http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ was worded like that ("Public discussions of the Board of Directors"), but I'm rather certain it should read "List for focused interaction of the public with the Board of Directors" instead. Page changed accordingly, board-discuss in Cc: in case there's disagreement. ;) All of that notwithstanding, point taken to spread the word a bit wider next time such things are on the agenda. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors
Le 2012-09-30 17:35, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Here is my feedback after having read the document: Thanks a lot Marc for your very detailed review. Since the board has already approved the earlier version, would you be ok if we table your suggestions for a little while? It's not unlikely we'll have to update the rules of procedure in the near future. Cheers, -- Thorsten Sure, I guess. I am not saying that all of my suggestions are correct, but, the document is now up for public display for the world to view and to disseminate. Most of my suggestions are grammatical in nature, except for the one which deals with the term of "director" which may require a change in substance. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors
Le 2012-09-30 17:41, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Is is just me or has this announcement not been passed on GMane? It shows in the regular mailing list that I receive in my inbox, but does not show at all on my GMane which is what I monitor. Hi Marc, it seems to be there now: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.steering-discuss/2721 BTW ... when it says "after a public discussion and community feedback", I could not find this on the discussion list. Or have I missed something? Where was this discussed and gotten community feedback? On the board-discuss list. Feedback welcome on that approach, but that's where we tend to have focused discussions on board matters. It is a good list to subscribe to anyway, e.g. board meeting minutes get sent to that list as well. Cheers, -- Thorsten Thanks. I am subscribed to that list, but was not aware that the membership was allowed to join in. I thought that that particular list was for board discussion only by board members only. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors
Marc Paré wrote: > Is is just me or has this announcement not been passed on GMane? It > shows in the regular mailing list that I receive in my inbox, but > does not show at all on my GMane which is what I monitor. > Hi Marc, it seems to be there now: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.steering-discuss/2721 > BTW ... when it says "after a public discussion and community > feedback", I could not find this on the discussion list. Or have I > missed something? Where was this discussed and gotten community > feedback? > On the board-discuss list. Feedback welcome on that approach, but that's where we tend to have focused discussions on board matters. It is a good list to subscribe to anyway, e.g. board meeting minutes get sent to that list as well. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors
Marc Paré wrote: > Here is my feedback after having read the document: > Thanks a lot Marc for your very detailed review. Since the board has already approved the earlier version, would you be ok if we table your suggestions for a little while? It's not unlikely we'll have to update the rules of procedure in the near future. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors
Here is my feedback after having read the document: The overall format is fine, however, the title format should be the same throughout. In EN, titles are usually capitalized and should follow these conventional rules[1] -- ALL section titles should be checked to follow these rules. = Processes -> "3. The rules of procedure can enter into effect earliest after approval by the board accord ..." Suggestion: "The rules of procedure can enter into effect at the earliest time after approval by the board ..." Reason: I believe your are attempting to use earliest as an adjective (superlative) and adjectives are usually not used by themselves. Other options could be "at the earliest convenience". No need to use accord as approval has already established that the board has agreed to this. = * The rules of procedure must not conflict with TDF statutes. In such cases, the conflicting parts are overridden by whatever is mandated by the statutes. Suggestion: "In such cases, the conflicting parts are overridden by the corresponding statutes." Reason: Statutes by definition are normally mandated, there is no need to state the obvious as it becomes redundant. = * Capitalize title by EN convention Decision Making and Responsibilities = Basic principle - all members of the board of directors participate in all board matters by voting. As such, the principle of joint management is maintained. Suggest: "Basic principle - All members of the board of directors participate in all board matters by voting. As such, the principle of joint management is maintained." or my preference: "Basic principle - All members of the board of directors participate in all board matters by voting, and, as such, the principle of joint management is maintained." Reason: Capitalize the "All", my preference -- just being picky, but would seem to suit best the first exclamatory statement. = "Internally, the board has decided on the following split of responsibilities:" Suggest: Replace "split" to "division" as this more translatable and less of an EN coloquialism. = "For decisions affecting daily operations, and if the vote happens electronically via email, for values of less than € 500, or an equivalent contractual liability, not answering in the vote thread for longer than 2 business days (for reasons including absence and illness) counts towards approval." Suggest: "Where a vote is conducted via email, and, where votes are left unanswered in the corresponding thread for a period exceeding 2 business days (for reasons including those of absence and illness), unanswered votes will count towards an approval. This applies for decisions affecting the daily operations, or, of requests to the board where the amount concerned is of less than € 500, or, of requests to the board that are of an equivalent contractual liability." Reason: Run on sentence that needs to be reformed. = "By simple majority, the board can delegate tasks" Suggest: "The board can delegate tasks by simple majority." Reason: Not sure why the sentence was broken up in the first place. As both halves of the sentence seem just as important, the sentence should then be put back in the right order in order to make it a clear and "to-the-point" statement. = "Those delegated tasks may have a budget assigned." Suggest: "Those delegated tasks may have an assigned budget." Reason: Dangling participle makes the sentence confusing. Sentence also needs a period. = "Delegated tasks have mandatory reporting and disclosure requirements towards the board, including disposition of funds, and achievement of objectives." Suggest: "Members, who have been delegated tasks, may have mandatory reporting and disclosure requirements, reporting of the disposition of funds (where applicable), and, reporting of the achievement of task objectives. These are to be reported to the board" Reason: "towards" makes the sentence confusing. Breaking up the list of obligations also lends itself to confusion. = Section 4. introduces a new word "director" which has not been defined in the document. What does "director" define or her/his obligations? Suggest: The "director" title should be defined in a prior section somewhere. = "It is the sole discretion of the board to setup committees, tasked to prepare decisions for the board. Committees can only advise, the ultimate decision authority and responsibility lies with the board." Suggest: "The ultimate "decision authority" and the ownersh
[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors
Is is just me or has this announcement not been passed on GMane? It shows in the regular mailing list that I receive in my inbox, but does not show at all on my GMane which is what I monitor. Is it because it carries an attachment? It this is so, then it means that community members on GMane are not getting all of the announcement, and, in this case an important announcement for the membership. BTW ... when it says "after a public discussion and community feedback", I could not find this on the discussion list. Or have I missed something? Where was this discussed and gotten community feedback? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted