Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
(CC: Immanuel Giulea) On 12-12-23 07:56 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hi all, > > Florian Effenberger wrote (17-12-12 14:03) >> The Document Foundation hasreceived the following two proposals >> for hosting the LibreOffice Conference 2013, ... >> * Milan, Italy >> * Montreal, Canada >> [...] >> In the meantime, we invite the community to discuss with >> the proponents on our discuss mailing list > > Thanks to all for the proposals! > It is encouraging to see that we have two great opportunities. > And since the teams suggest different dates, we could choose both! > (of course just kidding - in case you do not yet know me ;-) ) Hello Cor, all, Thank you for taking some time to ask about the proposal. Apologies for the delay in my response (on behalf of the Montreal, Canada team), the holidays and a busy January didn't help in getting a response faster. As a quick reminder, here is our original proposal: http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/montreal2013.pdf > > What I see, is that both proposals write about a link with the 'local' > evolution of open source and the possibility to host the LibreOffice > Conference. Which comes to my mind as a natural strength. > > Maybe it's possible for both teams to spend some more words on the > timing? > Is there any special local event or*project *or ... what makes it more > attractive for you to organise it especially in 2013? Or might 2012 > (too late) or 2014 be just as fine (from that perspective)? We have quite a few projects going on at the government, in several areas. I will try to summarize here a number of factors that bring 2013 to an ideal timing for LibreOffice conference to be held in Montreal. In 2011 new legislation (Bill 133) was announced to provide a better framework and rules to guide IT spending and project management within the Quebec government. It also addressed specifically the obligation to include free open source software in any studies, evaluations and options considered for tenders / RFPs. The notion of a "digital heritage" was recognized, to address the need for continuity and preservation of source code, among other informational resources. At the same time several contracts were the law has clearly been ignored or bypassed. We're not talking pennies here. One example: a project to migrate to Windows 7 was then evaluated at 1,4 billion (CDN$) dollars. Canadian and U.S. dollar have been at parity (more or less) for some time now, if that helps converting. This was for 738 *thousand* desktops, including approximately 500 000 in educational organizations. In that same context the government had decided to raise tuition fees in Universities, and the local FLOSS organizations (including FACIL, which is proposing to lead the LibreOffice conference in Montreal) joined forces to bring attention to the numbers: licencing fees could cover the tuition costs proposed by the government! A few journalists wrote about this, here is one: Source: http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/351050/logiciels-libres Many people took to the streets to protest against tuition fees and investigations haven been launched since then to inquire mostly about the construction industry corrupting local politicians to obtain contracts - the "Commission Charboneau" is ongoing and everyday we hear about such bad decisions. Increasingly, the local media is taking interest in software projects that have over-spent and gave contracts without RFPs, under apparent conflict of interests, etc. A huge social movement built up to record levels here, demanding transparency and accountability, but most importantly showing that citizen participation is not dead. That specific Windows 7 contract has since been blocked, we have a new government now. But many more go ahead, and most include Windows and Microsoft Office licensing. Every time there is media coverage of such issues, alternatives are discussed and slowly but surely FACIL and other local organizations and activists pass the information about the well established options, but it's chicken and egg: we need to demonstrate that such options as LibreOffice are well established, have strong presence and support, and can compete with the status-quo. > Are there opportunities / projects that help embedding the conference > as a part of for example wider support and acceptance for open source? > (Of course just hosting the conference helps in this perspective, but > it may be more effective when it is a planned part of a wider chain, > flow.) Many, perhaps too many to enumerate here. Every single project that is being exposed for skipping local legislation for RFPs (using clause exceptions like "there is no equivalent product" to give a contract w/o RFP for example) adds up to a long list of projects that will eventually have to stop ignoring GNU/Linux and free software, but also specifically LibreOffice - probably before the OS itself, as LibreOffice for Windows may become the first step in such changes o
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
Good morning Cor, On behalf of the Montreal host team, I have read your questions, and have passed them along for internal discussion, and will post the response on the mailing list. Cheers from Montreal, Immanuel Giulea On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Thanks to all for the proposals! > It is encouraging to see that we have two great opportunities. > And since the teams suggest different dates, we could choose both! > (of course just kidding - in case you do not yet know me ;-) ) > > > What I see, is that both proposals write about a link with the 'local' > evolution of open source and the possibility to host the LibreOffice > Conference. Which comes to my mind as a natural strength. > > Maybe it's possible for both teams to spend some more words on the timing? > Is there any special local event or project or ... what makes it more > attractive for you to organise it especially in 2013? Or might 2012 (too > late) or 2014 be just as fine (from that perspective)? > Are there opportunities / projects that help embedding the conference as a > part of for example wider support and acceptance for open source? (Of > course just hosting the conference helps in this perspective, but it may be > more effective when it is a planned part of a wider chain, flow.) > > > It is challenging for our community I think to have the opportunity to > jump over the ocean for the LibreOffice conference venue. > From how history has grown, nearly all previous conferences were held in > Europe (for easiness I also count the conferences that were held before the > making free of the OpenOffice project). It's certainly an opportunity to > build a bridge. But I've no idea if Montreal makes it easier and cheaper > for people from e.g. the US to join. Maybe someone can tell about that? > > > In the Montreal proposal I see that the proposed time is from Friday > evening until say Monday evening (October 11-14), because of the > availability of the location during those days. > We are used to a conference of three full day's tracks, and one (half) day > in advance for more community-related meetings. And then often some extra > time for social/tourist related events. > Would there be an opportunity to host for the community meetings too? It > does not mean that the same location should be available an extra day I > think, but some good place, in the same area for convenience would of > course be nice. > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
Hi all, Florian Effenberger wrote (17-12-12 14:03) The Document Foundation hasreceived the following two proposals for hosting the LibreOffice Conference 2013, ... * Milan, Italy * Montreal, Canada [...] In the meantime, we invite the community to discuss with the proponents on our discuss mailing list Thanks to all for the proposals! It is encouraging to see that we have two great opportunities. And since the teams suggest different dates, we could choose both! (of course just kidding - in case you do not yet know me ;-) ) What I see, is that both proposals write about a link with the 'local' evolution of open source and the possibility to host the LibreOffice Conference. Which comes to my mind as a natural strength. Maybe it's possible for both teams to spend some more words on the timing? Is there any special local event or project or ... what makes it more attractive for you to organise it especially in 2013? Or might 2012 (too late) or 2014 be just as fine (from that perspective)? Are there opportunities / projects that help embedding the conference as a part of for example wider support and acceptance for open source? (Of course just hosting the conference helps in this perspective, but it may be more effective when it is a planned part of a wider chain, flow.) It is challenging for our community I think to have the opportunity to jump over the ocean for the LibreOffice conference venue. From how history has grown, nearly all previous conferences were held in Europe (for easiness I also count the conferences that were held before the making free of the OpenOffice project). It's certainly an opportunity to build a bridge. But I've no idea if Montreal makes it easier and cheaper for people from e.g. the US to join. Maybe someone can tell about that? In the Montreal proposal I see that the proposed time is from Friday evening until say Monday evening (October 11-14), because of the availability of the location during those days. We are used to a conference of three full day's tracks, and one (half) day in advance for more community-related meetings. And then often some extra time for social/tourist related events. Would there be an opportunity to host for the community meetings too? It does not mean that the same location should be available an extra day I think, but some good place, in the same area for convenience would of course be nice. Thanks in advance for trying to help me making up my mind! I do not promise - by the way - that no new questions will pop up after reading the replies ;-) Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-21 07:48 AM, Florian Effenberger a écrit : > Hello, > > thank you very much, and welcome to the lists! :-) > > One quick note: I have modified your proposal in one aspect - I removed the phone numbers. I wasn't sure whether you are comfortable having those in public. The rest of the proposal is, of course, unmodified. > > Florian > It was initially for any board member wanting to contact us. I didn't realize initially this would become a public document. Many thanks for that! Cheers, Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDUbIUACgkQfUcTXFrypNWrwgCfVEE5ch8Ty4uJtspi0PpFQChh kIEAn0Tgafht8eslEkSHI1DmV+6hfhtE =U+4g -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
Hello, thank you very much, and welcome to the lists! :-) One quick note: I have modified your proposal in one aspect - I removed the phone numbers. I wasn't sure whether you are comfortable having those in public. The rest of the proposal is, of course, unmodified. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
Hello all, As a follow-up to Fabian's message, you can contact me as well. I am the project team lead for the Montreal host application, and I'll be able to answer your questions. You can reach me by email at : giulea.immanuel (a) gmail.com Immanuel Giulea On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hello, > > As one of the co-writers of the Montreal proposal, I welcome any > questions :) > > My personal contact information is also always current at > http://magicfab.ca > > Cheers, > > Fabian Rodriguez > http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca > > > Le 12-12-17 08:03 AM, Florian Effenberger a écrit : > > Following our public call for locations, [1] The Document Foundation has > received the following two > proposals for hosting the LibreOffice Conference 2013, in alphabetical > order: > > > > * Milan, Italy > > Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [2] > > > > * Montreal, Canada > > Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [3] > > > > The Document Foundation would like to thank all proponents for their > support, which is truly appreciated! Soon, we will start a public vote > to determine the location of the 2013 Conference. In the meantime, we > invite the community to discuss with the proponents on our discuss > mailing list [4] any questions they have. > > > > Thanks again, and looking forward to seeing you in 2013! > > > > > > [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation > > > > [2] http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/milan2013.pdf > > > > [3] > http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/montreal2013.pdf > > > > [4] http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/info.html > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request > Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAlDTcD8ACgkQfUcTXFrypNXymACg1gB0AExdXezbIu45B6VzM3fm > 784AoLWbdwUn515sGAaKoYlce7Q0WDuQ > =jtiY > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, As one of the co-writers of the Montreal proposal, I welcome any questions :) My personal contact information is also always current at http://magicfab.ca Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca Le 12-12-17 08:03 AM, Florian Effenberger a écrit : > Following our public call for locations, [1] The Document Foundation has > received the following two proposals for hosting the LibreOffice Conference 2013, in alphabetical order: > > * Milan, Italy > Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [2] > > * Montreal, Canada > Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [3] > > The Document Foundation would like to thank all proponents for their support, which is truly appreciated! Soon, we will start a public vote to determine the location of the 2013 Conference. In the meantime, we invite the community to discuss with the proponents on our discuss mailing list [4] any questions they have. > > Thanks again, and looking forward to seeing you in 2013! > > > [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation > > [2] http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/milan2013.pdf > > [3] http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/montreal2013.pdf > > [4] http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/info.html > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDTcD8ACgkQfUcTXFrypNXymACg1gB0AExdXezbIu45B6VzM3fm 784AoLWbdwUn515sGAaKoYlce7Q0WDuQ =jtiY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
