Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice implementer notes

2012-11-16 Thread Jesper Lund Stocholm
Hi again,

2012/11/16 Regina Henschel 

> Hi Jesper,
>
> Jesper Lund Stocholm schrieb:
>
>  I have not done a specific investigation of this, but the press release
>> referred on the Danish page says that Calc has now several new functions
>> like
>>
>> "DATODIF, IMAGTAN, IMAGSEK, IMAGCSK ,IMAGCOT, IMAGSINH, IMAGCOSH, IMAGSEKH
>> og IMAGCSKH"
>>
>> I would imagine that these were defined in OOF, but I cannot find then in
>> ODF 1.2 Part 2.
>>
>
> You have to look for their English names. The complex functions are in
> section 6.8, DATEDIF is in section 6.10.3
>
>
Thinking a bit more on this: do you know if support of these functions from
LibreOffice 3.6 means that the last remaining non-supported functions of
OOF are now supported by LibreOffice - or are there still functions of OOF
that LibreOffice does not support?

Information like this would also be valuable on the wiki.

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RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice implementer notes

2012-11-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'm curious whether the Danish names are translated to the OpenFormula names or 
multiple names are supported in the formulas.  I assume that Calc translates 
between the UI and the OpenFormula in the document.  It would be good to be 
sure about this.

 - Dennis

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Hi Regina,


2012/11/16 Regina Henschel 

> Hi Jesper,
>
> Jesper Lund Stocholm schrieb:
>
>  I have not done a specific investigation of this, but the press release
>> referred on the Danish page says that Calc has now several new functions
>> like
>>
>> "DATODIF, IMAGTAN, IMAGSEK, IMAGCSK ,IMAGCOT, IMAGSINH, IMAGCOSH, IMAGSEKH
>> og IMAGCSKH"
>>
>> I would imagine that these were defined in OOF, but I cannot find then in
>> ODF 1.2 Part 2.
>>
>
> You have to look for their English names. The complex functions are in
> section 6.8, DATEDIF is in section 6.10.3
>
>
Oh my - how embarrassing, I hadn't noticed that the function names were in
Danish.

Sorry about that :'o(

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice implementer notes

2012-11-16 Thread Jesper Lund Stocholm
Hi Regina,


2012/11/16 Regina Henschel 

> Hi Jesper,
>
> Jesper Lund Stocholm schrieb:
>
>  I have not done a specific investigation of this, but the press release
>> referred on the Danish page says that Calc has now several new functions
>> like
>>
>> "DATODIF, IMAGTAN, IMAGSEK, IMAGCSK ,IMAGCOT, IMAGSINH, IMAGCOSH, IMAGSEKH
>> og IMAGCSKH"
>>
>> I would imagine that these were defined in OOF, but I cannot find then in
>> ODF 1.2 Part 2.
>>
>
> You have to look for their English names. The complex functions are in
> section 6.8, DATEDIF is in section 6.10.3
>
>
Oh my - how embarrassing, I hadn't noticed that the function names were in
Danish.

Sorry about that :'o(

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice implementer notes

2012-11-16 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Jesper,

Jesper Lund Stocholm schrieb:


I have not done a specific investigation of this, but the press release
referred on the Danish page says that Calc has now several new functions
like

"DATODIF, IMAGTAN, IMAGSEK, IMAGCSK ,IMAGCOT, IMAGSINH, IMAGCOSH, IMAGSEKH
og IMAGCSKH"

I would imagine that these were defined in OOF, but I cannot find then in
ODF 1.2 Part 2.


You have to look for their English names. The complex functions are in 
section 6.8, DATEDIF is in section 6.10.3


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice implementer notes

2012-11-16 Thread Jesper Lund Stocholm
Hi Thorsten,

2012/11/3 Thorsten Behrens 

> Hi Jesper,
>
> glad to see you here! :)
>

:o)


> You wrote:
> > What is missing is clearly the delta between the implementation of
> > LibreOffice and ODF itself - in other words: what parts of ODF is not
> > implemented in LibreOffice? A classic example of this would be missing
> > support in LibreOffice of the chart type "gantt". Do you have any plan to
> > include information like this in the implementer's notes?
> >
> That's indeed useful information; it is though rather hard work to
> tease it out - as large parts of the existing ODF implementation is
> of course inherited from 10 years of OOo.
>

Yes - I am not trying to downplay the resources needed to create
implementer's notes with real value.


> That said, if one does not start, it will never happen, so maybe you
> could stick the white spots you know of, in LibO's ODF coverage,
> into the wiki (or just answer here)? And we then incrementally
> enhance that list.
>

Yes - and I have registered on your wiki the other day for just that reason.

What I think would be a good format would be to create the same structure
Microsoft did when they initially made their first implementer's notes.
They took offset in the structure of the standard itself and the numbering
of the sections. So if you were implementing "Section x, paragraph Y", you
could go to that specific place in their implementer notes and find answer
to any discrepancies with Office implementation and OOXML spec. It has been
extremely useful.

> And finally - the list of extensions to OOF seems incomplete. When
> > LibreOffice 3.6 was announced, a rather large list of new functions were
> > added to LibreOffice, and they do not seem to appear in OOF itself . The
> > list I saw can be found here : 
> > http://goo.gl/ha5lB(sorry,
> >  I only have it
> > in Danish).
> >
> I hope the list is reasonably complete; not every new feature needs
> an ODF extension. Do you have anything specific in mind, that we
> might have missed?


I have not done a specific investigation of this, but the press release
referred on the Danish page says that Calc has now several new functions
like

"DATODIF, IMAGTAN, IMAGSEK, IMAGCSK ,IMAGCOT, IMAGSINH, IMAGCOSH, IMAGSEKH
og IMAGCSKH"

I would imagine that these were defined in OOF, but I cannot find then in
ODF 1.2 Part 2.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice implementer notes

2012-11-03 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Jesper,

glad to see you here! :)

You wrote:
> What is missing is clearly the delta between the implementation of
> LibreOffice and ODF itself - in other words: what parts of ODF is not
> implemented in LibreOffice? A classic example of this would be missing
> support in LibreOffice of the chart type "gantt". Do you have any plan to
> include information like this in the implementer's notes?
>
That's indeed useful information; it is though rather hard work to
tease it out - as large parts of the existing ODF implementation is
of course inherited from 10 years of OOo.

That said, if one does not start, it will never happen, so maybe you
could stick the white spots you know of, in LibO's ODF coverage,
into the wiki (or just answer here)? And we then incrementally
enhance that list.

> And finally - the list of extensions to OOF seems incomplete. When
> LibreOffice 3.6 was announced, a rather large list of new functions were
> added to LibreOffice, and they do not seem to appear in OOF itself . The
> list I saw can be found here : http://goo.gl/ha5lB (sorry, I only have it
> in Danish).
> 
I hope the list is reasonably complete; not every new feature needs
an ODF extension. Do you have anything specific in mind, that we
might have missed?

All the best,

-- Thorsten

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