Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-05-02 Thread mjollnir66
the answer is). Thank you again for your care and your expertise. Best Regards. M. - Mail original - De: "Italo Vignoli" <it...@libreoffice.org> À: discuss@documentfoundation.org Envoyé: Jeudi 28 Avril 2016 14:37:08 Objet: Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transiti

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-28 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 28/04/2016 09:15, mjollni...@laposte.net wrote: > The question is, how do we enforce the rules with the greatest > efficiency possible. Unfortunately, interoperability is strictly related to the user behaviour, and should become a topic for students in schools. Users should learn how to

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-28 Thread Rob Pearson
- De: "Italo Vignoli" <it...@libreoffice.org> À: discuss@documentfoundation.org Envoyé: Mercredi 27 Avril 2016 19:39:14 Objet: Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict On 26/04/2016 12:46, mjollni...@laposte.net wrote: Is it correct to say that the Transition

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-28 Thread Mike Hall
On 28/04/2016 01:39, Italo Vignoli wrote: I do not know, as I am not a developer. I have configured my instance of LibreOffice to replace Calibri and Cambria with Carlito and Caladea (there is a replacement table in Options > LibreOffice > Fonts). I will ask developers is this specific

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-28 Thread mjollnir66
di 27 Avril 2016 19:39:14 Objet: Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict On 26/04/2016 12:46, mjollni...@laposte.net wrote: > Is it correct to say that the Transitionnal OOXML format is not > compliant with any international standard or norm ? Neither ECMA, nor >

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Joel Madero
>> If you are promoting LO because it provides better interoperability, >> shouldn't they be configured as equivalents? You could even prompt users >> on save. Would this break something? > I do not know, as I am not a developer. I have configured my instance of > LibreOffice to replace Calibri

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Mike Hall
On 27/04/2016 21:57, Italo Vignoli wrote: In fact, they are provided as equivalents, although the software is not configured to handle them as equivalents. If you are promoting LO because it provides better interoperability, shouldn't they be configured as equivalents? You could even prompt

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 27/04/2016 22:55, Simon Phipps wrote: > In fact it makes me wonder if these could be the default equivalents for > the C-fonts in LibreOffice? In fact, they are provided as equivalents, although the software is not configured to handle them as equivalents. -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Simon Phipps
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Mike Hall wrote: > On 27/04/2016 21:18, Italo Vignoli wrote: > >> By using C-Fonts, you are therefore producing documents with limited >> interoperability >> C-Fonts are not interoperable also in technical terms, >> > That's good

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Mike Hall
On 27/04/2016 21:18, Italo Vignoli wrote: By using C-Fonts, you are therefore producing documents with limited interoperability C-Fonts are not interoperable also in technical terms, That's good information. Does TDF have a recommendation for which fonts to use to maximise interoperability

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Italo Vignoli
Yes, the fonts come with Windows, but not with other operating systems. On MacOS, they are legally available with MS Office installed. On Linux, they are not available at all. C-Fonts cannot be legally embedded, although they can be mechanically embedded (and no one warns you about the legal

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Mike Hall
On 27/04/2016 13:42, Italo Vignoli wrote: Several people at TDF have been involved in the decision process and have contributed specific evidence about ODF and OOXML I zapped your last message, but I wondered whether it was necessary to have an MSO licence to use Calibri etc. This windows PC,

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 26/04/2016 12:46, mjollni...@laposte.net wrote: > Is it correct to say that the Transitionnal OOXML format is not > compliant with any international standard or norm ? Neither ECMA, nor > ISO, nor anything but MS$ itself. OOXML Transitional is not the standard format, but a tweaked version of

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 27/04/2016 10:12, pasqual milvaques wrote: > In the sake of documenting this, the UK Cabinet Office decision can be > found here: > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-standards-for-government/sharing-or-collaborating-with-government-documents Several people at TDF have been

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-27 Thread pasqual milvaques
Hi In the sake of documenting this, the UK Cabinet Office decision can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-standards-for-government/sharing-or-collaborating-with-government-documents In this URL there is addditional information about the supoport process:

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 26/04/2016 15:09, pasqual milvaques wrote: > The 'transitional' variant of ooxml is specified in Part 4 of ISO/IEC > 29500 so it's standard, it's supposed that the features of the > transitional variant ease the transition from older formats, I'm not > sure if there is a plan for making the

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread pasqual milvaques
? If so, would please somebody advice me the best place to post the question ? - Mail original - De: "Florian Reisinger" <flo...@libreoffice.org> À: mjollni...@laposte.net, discuss@documentfoundation.org Envoyé: Mardi 26 Avril 2016 13:26:12 Objet: Re: [tdf-discuss

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread mjollnir66
the best place to post the question ? - Mail original - De: "Florian Reisinger" <flo...@libreoffice.org> À: mjollni...@laposte.net, discuss@documentfoundation.org Envoyé: Mardi 26 Avril 2016 13:26:12 Objet: Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

2016-04-26 Thread Florian Reisinger
Short answer: Any release (2007,2010,2013,2016) has it's own transitional format. AFAIK schrieb am Di., 26. Apr. 2016, 10:13: > Hello, > > I'm a french user willing to get some answers about OOXML format. > This post is already released on the fr.discuss mailing list. >