Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Hey all what is the status of this seeing as there hasnt been any emails > going round about the forums? Agreed, time to move forward :) Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
Hey all what is the status of this seeing as there hasnt been any emails going round about the forums? On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier < bitsfr...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi Marc, *, > > Am 08.10.2012 19:10 schrieb Marc Paré: > > Le 2012-10-08 12:11, Joel Madero a écrit : > >> On 10/08/2012 03:14 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > .. following this discussion and chiming in (too) late :o)) > > [.. bg snip of many good points ..] > > > If we consider this, and base our decision, less on an emotional > > response, but on the desire to attract new contributors, we should > > offer potential contributors a door into our contributor-world. > > I'm really amazed, how this discussion went forward finally hitting the > nail (instead of the thumb..). > > Thanks Marc and all for doing a great job fostering our community! > > [.. more good points ..] > > Gruß/regards > from LibreOffice Conference > > Gruß/regards > > Gruß/regards > -- > Friedrich > Documentfoundation Admin team > Libreoffice-Box team (http://libreofficebox.org/ > LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images) > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
Hi Marc, *, Am 08.10.2012 19:10 schrieb Marc Paré: > Le 2012-10-08 12:11, Joel Madero a écrit : >> On 10/08/2012 03:14 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: .. following this discussion and chiming in (too) late :o)) [.. bg snip of many good points ..] > If we consider this, and base our decision, less on an emotional > response, but on the desire to attract new contributors, we should > offer potential contributors a door into our contributor-world. I'm really amazed, how this discussion went forward finally hitting the nail (instead of the thumb..). Thanks Marc and all for doing a great job fostering our community! [.. more good points ..] Gruß/regards from LibreOffice Conference Gruß/regards Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Documentfoundation Admin team Libreoffice-Box team (http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
On 10/08/2012 03:14 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: I am now wondering if this should be put forth to the board that way we can get a clear end all decision and move forward with the forums and getting them going. I think we are well beyond this and we should move forward as is, both user and contributors forum. WORST CASE we have a contributor section that isn't used, so be it, we deal with that IF AND ONLY IF that happens. I don't understand why it's gotten so much attention so close to "going live". Going to the board will only delay what needs to be done, which is getting a forum together, up and running, as soon as possible. We still have several more things to do before this can happen, delaying this step only delays the entire project. Also, let's keep in mind that the top contributors have not been so vocally against the section, to me this is a big deal. If you look at who is the heads of the UX group, the QA group, the developers, etc...they haven't been nearly as vocal about this. Again very worst case we have a dead contributor section, and to me, this is a very small price to pay for moving forward as soon as possible Regards, Joel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
I think it's too late for that, and not appropriate at this time. Let's see what the response is to the notes already sent to the various mailing lists, and work from there. --Jean On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I am now wondering if this should be put forth to the board that way we can > get a clear end all decision and move forward with the forums and getting > them going. > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jean Weber wrote: >> >> I agree with Jonathan and others, and indeed said as much some time >> ago when the forums were first being discussed. At the time Björn >> appeared to be quite emphatic about the opposite point of view (forums >> for contributors being at least as important, if not more so), and I >> was under the impression that was the Board's preference too, so I >> didn't argue further. Sounds like I may not have not been paying >> enough attention. >> >> --Jean >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Aquilina >> wrote: >> > I think until we get things going that we should focus ONLY on user >> > forums >> > for now and then we can slowly add contributors sections once we get the >> > teething problems and issues sorted and a steady work flow going. >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < >> > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: >> > >> >> Christian, >> >> >> >> I don't think my tone was inappropriate, but if it really was I am >> >> sorry >> >> and it was not my intention. I still disagree with the approach of >> >> mixing >> >> both contributors and users forums development this way, but you should >> >> not >> >> infer that I am against contributors forums..to me it is a very valid >> >> option for some type of contributions and teams, while not being an >> >> option >> >> for others. My point is on the approach, not on the content of the >> >> proposal. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Charles. >> >> Le 8 oct. 2012 03:27, "Christian Lohmaier" < >> >> lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> a écrit : >> >> >> >> > Hi Charles, *, >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides >> >> that >> >> > > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. >> >> > >> >> > This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, >> >> > the >> >> > "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. >> >> > >> >> > As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the >> >> > other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure >> >> > sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. >> >> > >> >> > Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not >> >> > appropriate in this scenario. >> >> > >> >> > > What I >> >> > > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for >> >> instance >> >> > > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up >> >> > > because >> >> > > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the >> >> > > moderators. >> >> > >> >> > Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core >> >> > development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't >> >> > remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. >> >> > - >> >> > A notification. >> >> > >> >> > No list will be forced to move to the forum. >> >> > >> >> > If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. >> >> > >> >> > If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options >> >> > that >> >> > were offered. >> >> > >> >> > That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for >> >> > user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that >> >> > out earlier". >> >> > Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the >> >> > process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable >> >> > thing >> >> > to do. >> >> > >> >> > So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in >> >> > this >> >> > regard. >> >> > >> >> > Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn >> >> > did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a >> >> > stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. >> >> > >> >> > Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep to use the >> >> > mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. >> >> > >> >> > ciao >> >> > Christian >> >> > >> >> > > > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
I am now wondering if this should be put forth to the board that way we can get a clear end all decision and move forward with the forums and getting them going. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jean Weber wrote: > I agree with Jonathan and others, and indeed said as much some time > ago when the forums were first being discussed. At the time Björn > appeared to be quite emphatic about the opposite point of view (forums > for contributors being at least as important, if not more so), and I > was under the impression that was the Board's preference too, so I > didn't argue further. Sounds like I may not have not been paying > enough attention. > > --Jean > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Aquilina > wrote: > > I think until we get things going that we should focus ONLY on user > forums > > for now and then we can slowly add contributors sections once we get the > > teething problems and issues sorted and a steady work flow going. > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < > > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > > > >> Christian, > >> > >> I don't think my tone was inappropriate, but if it really was I am sorry > >> and it was not my intention. I still disagree with the approach of > mixing > >> both contributors and users forums development this way, but you should > not > >> infer that I am against contributors forums..to me it is a very valid > >> option for some type of contributions and teams, while not being an > option > >> for others. My point is on the approach, not on the content of the > >> proposal. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Charles. > >> Le 8 oct. 2012 03:27, "Christian Lohmaier" < > >> lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> a écrit : > >> > >> > Hi Charles, *, > >> > > >> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides > >> that > >> > > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. > >> > > >> > This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, the > >> > "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. > >> > > >> > As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the > >> > other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure > >> > sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. > >> > > >> > Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not > >> > appropriate in this scenario. > >> > > >> > > What I > >> > > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for > >> instance > >> > > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up > because > >> > > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the > >> > > moderators. > >> > > >> > Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core > >> > development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't > >> > remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. - > >> > A notification. > >> > > >> > No list will be forced to move to the forum. > >> > > >> > If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. > >> > > >> > If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options that > >> > were offered. > >> > > >> > That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for > >> > user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that > >> > out earlier". > >> > Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the > >> > process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable thing > >> > to do. > >> > > >> > So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in > this > >> > regard. > >> > > >> > Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn > >> > did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a > >> > stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. > >> > > >> > Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep to use the > >> > mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. > >> > > >> > ciao > >> > Christian > >> > > >> > -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
I agree with Jonathan and others, and indeed said as much some time ago when the forums were first being discussed. At the time Björn appeared to be quite emphatic about the opposite point of view (forums for contributors being at least as important, if not more so), and I was under the impression that was the Board's preference too, so I didn't argue further. Sounds like I may not have not been paying enough attention. --Jean On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I think until we get things going that we should focus ONLY on user forums > for now and then we can slowly add contributors sections once we get the > teething problems and issues sorted and a steady work flow going. > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Christian, >> >> I don't think my tone was inappropriate, but if it really was I am sorry >> and it was not my intention. I still disagree with the approach of mixing >> both contributors and users forums development this way, but you should not >> infer that I am against contributors forums..to me it is a very valid >> option for some type of contributions and teams, while not being an option >> for others. My point is on the approach, not on the content of the >> proposal. >> >> Best, >> >> Charles. >> Le 8 oct. 2012 03:27, "Christian Lohmaier" < >> lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> a écrit : >> >> > Hi Charles, *, >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides >> that >> > > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. >> > >> > This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, the >> > "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. >> > >> > As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the >> > other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure >> > sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. >> > >> > Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not >> > appropriate in this scenario. >> > >> > > What I >> > > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for >> instance >> > > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up because >> > > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the >> > > moderators. >> > >> > Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core >> > development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't >> > remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. - >> > A notification. >> > >> > No list will be forced to move to the forum. >> > >> > If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. >> > >> > If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options that >> > were offered. >> > >> > That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for >> > user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that >> > out earlier". >> > Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the >> > process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable thing >> > to do. >> > >> > So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in this >> > regard. >> > >> > Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn >> > did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a >> > stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. >> > >> > Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep to use the >> > mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. >> > >> > ciao >> > Christian >> > >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
+1 for Christian. We urgently need some place for the users to express their 'frustrations' haha... Contributors already have a place to communicate, even if it's not as great as a forum. -- Florian Monfort Marketing Apprentice at Red Hat Marketing Team at The Document Foundation Student at France Business School +33 6 58 97 15 61 florian.monf...@gmail.com On Oct 8, 2012 10:29 AM, "Jonathan Aquilina" wrote: > I think until we get things going that we should focus ONLY on user forums > for now and then we can slowly add contributors sections once we get the > teething problems and issues sorted and a steady work flow going. > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > > > Christian, > > > > I don't think my tone was inappropriate, but if it really was I am sorry > > and it was not my intention. I still disagree with the approach of mixing > > both contributors and users forums development this way, but you should > not > > infer that I am against contributors forums..to me it is a very valid > > option for some type of contributions and teams, while not being an > option > > for others. My point is on the approach, not on the content of the > > proposal. > > > > Best, > > > > Charles. > > Le 8 oct. 2012 03:27, "Christian Lohmaier" < > > lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> a écrit : > > > > > Hi Charles, *, > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides > > that > > > > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. > > > > > > This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, the > > > "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. > > > > > > As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the > > > other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure > > > sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. > > > > > > Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not > > > appropriate in this scenario. > > > > > > > What I > > > > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for > > instance > > > > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up > because > > > > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the > > > > moderators. > > > > > > Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core > > > development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't > > > remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. - > > > A notification. > > > > > > No list will be forced to move to the forum. > > > > > > If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. > > > > > > If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options that > > > were offered. > > > > > > That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for > > > user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that > > > out earlier". > > > Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the > > > process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable thing > > > to do. > > > > > > So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in > this > > > regard. > > > > > > Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn > > > did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a > > > stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. > > > > > > Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep to use the > > > mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. > > > > > > ciao > > > Christian > > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
I think until we get things going that we should focus ONLY on user forums for now and then we can slowly add contributors sections once we get the teething problems and issues sorted and a steady work flow going. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Christian, > > I don't think my tone was inappropriate, but if it really was I am sorry > and it was not my intention. I still disagree with the approach of mixing > both contributors and users forums development this way, but you should not > infer that I am against contributors forums..to me it is a very valid > option for some type of contributions and teams, while not being an option > for others. My point is on the approach, not on the content of the > proposal. > > Best, > > Charles. > Le 8 oct. 2012 03:27, "Christian Lohmaier" < > lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> a écrit : > > > Hi Charles, *, > > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz > > wrote: > > > > > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides > that > > > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. > > > > This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, the > > "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. > > > > As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the > > other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure > > sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. > > > > Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not > > appropriate in this scenario. > > > > > What I > > > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for > instance > > > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up because > > > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the > > > moderators. > > > > Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core > > development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't > > remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. - > > A notification. > > > > No list will be forced to move to the forum. > > > > If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. > > > > If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options that > > were offered. > > > > That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for > > user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that > > out earlier". > > Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the > > process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable thing > > to do. > > > > So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in this > > regard. > > > > Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn > > did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a > > stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. > > > > Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep to use the > > mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. > > > > ciao > > Christian > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
Christian, I don't think my tone was inappropriate, but if it really was I am sorry and it was not my intention. I still disagree with the approach of mixing both contributors and users forums development this way, but you should not infer that I am against contributors forums..to me it is a very valid option for some type of contributions and teams, while not being an option for others. My point is on the approach, not on the content of the proposal. Best, Charles. Le 8 oct. 2012 03:27, "Christian Lohmaier" < lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> a écrit : > Hi Charles, *, > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz > wrote: > > > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides that > > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. > > This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, the > "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. > > As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the > other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure > sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. > > Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not > appropriate in this scenario. > > > What I > > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for instance > > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up because > > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the > > moderators. > > Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core > development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't > remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. - > A notification. > > No list will be forced to move to the forum. > > If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. > > If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options that > were offered. > > That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for > user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that > out earlier". > Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the > process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable thing > to do. > > So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in this > regard. > > Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn > did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a > stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. > > Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep to use the > mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. > > ciao > Christian > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal
Hi Charles, *, On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides that > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, the "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not appropriate in this scenario. > What I > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for instance > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up because > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the > moderators. Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. - A notification. No list will be forced to move to the forum. If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options that were offered. That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that out earlier". Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable thing to do. So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in this regard. Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep to use the mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
