Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-09 Thread Vasile Craciunescu 

On 9/8/17 5:36 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote:


Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I 
want to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to 
try to cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.


Thank you, Jorge! It's really great to see how are community is growing. 
Let's also no forget about the hard work done by the other CRO, Jeff 
McKenna. Even during his birthday, yesterday, Jeff put a lot of work 
into this. Great effort for the community!


Best,
Vasile
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Cameron Shorter 

+1 to Jeroen's suggestion that we should minimise email traffic.

+1 to Brandon's suggestion of managing in a wiki (although there are 
other ways which work too)


We should be careful not to "love our list to death" by swamping it with 
well meaning but little value content, thus reducing the 
"signal-to-noise ratio". Most modern Codes of Conduct [1] discuss being 
concise in our communication and considering the readers. If you don't, 
your community will silently drop off.


I for one have not read any of the nominations on the email list, and 
I'm probably one of OSGeo Discuss's most active members. There is too much.


[1] http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct


On 9/9/17 4:32 am, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:49 PM, María Arias de Reyna
 wrote:

On Sep 8, 2017 6:46 PM, "Massimiliano Cannata"
 wrote:

Why not just nominate people on the list but collect seconding on online
system, like a form? SImilar to those for voting presentation at foss4g!!!


In previous years it was like this and people still flood with +1. Also,
this year people were sending proposals directly to the list instead of to
the cro.

We are rebels by nature. People will still send things to the list.

Well, they will eventually learn it ;-) ... as soon as a better system
exists than the current "+1" flooding.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Jody Garnett 
I wonder if we could use the charter members list rather than the discuss
list (or is that email list private?)

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On 8 September 2017 at 02:54, Jeroen Ticheler 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The
> process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part
> of that!
>
> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I
> fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find
> another way so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding
> everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up for about half of my
> email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>
> Cheers,
> Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread DelazJ 
Hi,

While I agree that all those seconding emails might flood some inboxes
(though most of modern mails have system to redirect and filter
messages), it was a real pleasure to see all the reaction from the
community: people I've never heard about, people I've never read a
message from (ok i'm not that long subscribed to the list) but from a
simple member of the community, it's just a: "WOUAW What a big and
passionate community!"
And I'm afraid that putting seconding messages elsewhere will just
hide this passion from the community, which imho deserves us: I'm
interested in knowing nominees profile (information sometimes brought
by seconding messages), but I'm not sure i will do the needed step to
check a wiki or a list elsewhere; having it in my box is just easier
and convenient.

my 2cts,
Harrissou

2017-09-08 18:49 GMT+02:00 María Arias de Reyna :
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2017 6:46 PM, "Massimiliano Cannata"
>  wrote:
>
> Why not just nominate people on the list but collect seconding on online
> system, like a form? SImilar to those for voting presentation at foss4g!!!
>
>
> In previous years it was like this and people still flood with +1. Also,
> this year people were sending proposals directly to the list instead of to
> the cro.
>
> We are rebels by nature. People will still send things to the list.
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Maxi
>
> 2017-09-08 17:56 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett :
>>
>> The other point in favour of email is the discussion aspect, with the
>> board only reviewing -1 votes we are relying our the discussion list to
>> review candidates.
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 8 September 2017 at 07:36, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Agree, I don't think I'd like a nomination period + election being
>>> carried on with some editings in the wiki and a silent mailing list except
>>> by some announcements.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, answering with a +1 on a mailing list is quick and
>>> easy (and annoying if you don't use filters on your email).
>>>
>>> The off list option, like adding a comment on the wiki, (IMO) would be
>>> followed by fewer people and read by even fewer people. We are all lazy by
>>> nature, and an election process is not the most exciting activity we do.
>>>
>>> I agree the process can be improved, but when thinking about election
>>> procedures, as boring as they are, we need to put the reduction of
>>> participation barriers as a top priority if we want to reach the broadest
>>> audience, at least once per year.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I
>>> want to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to try
>>> to cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 September 2017 at 15:15, Volker Mische 
>>> wrote:

 Hi,

 I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
 list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.

 Cheers,
   Volker


 On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same,
 > but
 > run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for
 > nominators
 > to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
 > now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
 > real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
 > visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
 >
 > Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
 > but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
 > involve additional work to create an automated system.
 >
 > just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
 > /Brandon
 >
 > On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
 >> Hi,
 >>
 >> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting,
 >> and a
 >> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
 >>
 >> Cheers,
 >> Angelos
 >>
 >> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
 >>> Jeroen,
 >>>
 >>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and
 >>> check
 >>> them all...
 >>>
 >>> Till
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
  Hi all,
  It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and
  expanding!
  The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
  valuable part of that!
 
  The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this
  election.
  I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should
  we
  find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
  avoid

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread María Arias de Reyna 
On Sep 8, 2017 6:46 PM, "Massimiliano Cannata" <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

Why not just nominate people on the list but collect seconding on online
system, like a form? SImilar to those for voting presentation at foss4g!!!


In previous years it was like this and people still flood with +1. Also,
this year people were sending proposals directly to the list instead of to
the cro.

We are rebels by nature. People will still send things to the list.



Cheers
Maxi

2017-09-08 17:56 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett :

> The other point in favour of email is the discussion aspect, with the
> board only reviewing -1 votes we are relying our the discussion list to
> review candidates.
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 8 September 2017 at 07:36, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>
>> Agree, I don't think I'd like a nomination period + election being
>> carried on with some editings in the wiki and a silent mailing list except
>> by some announcements.
>>
>> On the other hand, answering with a +1 on a mailing list is quick and
>> easy (and annoying if you don't use filters on your email).
>>
>> The off list option, like adding a comment on the wiki, (IMO) would be
>> followed by fewer people and read by even fewer people. We are all lazy by
>> nature, and an election process is not the most exciting activity we do.
>>
>> I agree the process can be improved, but when thinking about election
>> procedures, as boring as they are, we need to put the reduction of
>> participation barriers as a top priority if we want to reach the broadest
>> audience, at least once per year.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I
>> want to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to
>> try to cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 September 2017 at 15:15, Volker Mische 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
>>> list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>   Volker
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
>>> > run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
>>> > to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
>>> > now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
>>> > real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
>>> > visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
>>> >
>>> > Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
>>> > but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
>>> > involve additional work to create an automated system.
>>> >
>>> > just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
>>> > /Brandon
>>> >
>>> > On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting,
>>> and a
>>> >> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Angelos
>>> >>
>>> >> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>>> >>> Jeroen,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and
>>> check
>>> >>> them all...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Till
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>>>  Hi all,
>>>  It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and
>>> expanding!
>>>  The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
>>>  valuable part of that!
>>> 
>>>  The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this
>>> election.
>>>  I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
>>>  find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
>>>  avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
>>>  for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>>> 
>>>  Cheers,
>>>  Jeroen
>>>  ___
>>>  Discuss mailing list
>>>  Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>>  https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> >>> ___
>>> >>> Discuss mailing list
>>> >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>> >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Massimiliano Cannata 
Why not just nominate people on the list but collect seconding on online
system, like a form? SImilar to those for voting presentation at foss4g!!!

Cheers
Maxi

2017-09-08 17:56 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett :

> The other point in favour of email is the discussion aspect, with the
> board only reviewing -1 votes we are relying our the discussion list to
> review candidates.
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 8 September 2017 at 07:36, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>
>> Agree, I don't think I'd like a nomination period + election being
>> carried on with some editings in the wiki and a silent mailing list except
>> by some announcements.
>>
>> On the other hand, answering with a +1 on a mailing list is quick and
>> easy (and annoying if you don't use filters on your email).
>>
>> The off list option, like adding a comment on the wiki, (IMO) would be
>> followed by fewer people and read by even fewer people. We are all lazy by
>> nature, and an election process is not the most exciting activity we do.
>>
>> I agree the process can be improved, but when thinking about election
>> procedures, as boring as they are, we need to put the reduction of
>> participation barriers as a top priority if we want to reach the broadest
>> audience, at least once per year.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I
>> want to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to
>> try to cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 September 2017 at 15:15, Volker Mische 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
>>> list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>   Volker
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
>>> > run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
>>> > to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
>>> > now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
>>> > real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
>>> > visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
>>> >
>>> > Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
>>> > but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
>>> > involve additional work to create an automated system.
>>> >
>>> > just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
>>> > /Brandon
>>> >
>>> > On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting,
>>> and a
>>> >> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Angelos
>>> >>
>>> >> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>>> >>> Jeroen,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and
>>> check
>>> >>> them all...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Till
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>>>  Hi all,
>>>  It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and
>>> expanding!
>>>  The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
>>>  valuable part of that!
>>> 
>>>  The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this
>>> election.
>>>  I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
>>>  find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
>>>  avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
>>>  for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>>> 
>>>  Cheers,
>>>  Jeroen
>>>  ___
>>>  Discuss mailing list
>>>  Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>>  https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> >>> ___
>>> >>> Discuss mailing list
>>> >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>> >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> >
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Jody Garnett 
The other point in favour of email is the discussion aspect, with the board
only reviewing -1 votes we are relying our the discussion list to review
candidates.

--
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On 8 September 2017 at 07:36, Jorge Sanz  wrote:

> Agree, I don't think I'd like a nomination period + election being carried
> on with some editings in the wiki and a silent mailing list except by some
> announcements.
>
> On the other hand, answering with a +1 on a mailing list is quick and easy
> (and annoying if you don't use filters on your email).
>
> The off list option, like adding a comment on the wiki, (IMO) would be
> followed by fewer people and read by even fewer people. We are all lazy by
> nature, and an election process is not the most exciting activity we do.
>
> I agree the process can be improved, but when thinking about election
> procedures, as boring as they are, we need to put the reduction of
> participation barriers as a top priority if we want to reach the broadest
> audience, at least once per year.
>
> Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I
> want to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to
> try to cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.
>
> My 2 cents
>
>
>
> On 8 September 2017 at 15:15, Volker Mische 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
>> list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Volker
>>
>>
>> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
>> > run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
>> > to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
>> > now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
>> > real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
>> > visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
>> >
>> > Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
>> > but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
>> > involve additional work to create an automated system.
>> >
>> > just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
>> > /Brandon
>> >
>> > On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and
>> a
>> >> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Angelos
>> >>
>> >> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>> >>> Jeroen,
>> >>>
>> >>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and
>> check
>> >>> them all...
>> >>>
>> >>> Till
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>>  Hi all,
>>  It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding!
>>  The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
>>  valuable part of that!
>> 
>>  The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election.
>>  I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
>>  find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
>>  avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
>>  for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>>  Jeroen
>>  ___
>>  Discuss mailing list
>>  Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>  https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >>> ___
>> >>> Discuss mailing list
>> >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>> >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Jachym Cepicky 
why not e.g. gitlab project issues tracker?

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, 16:46 Jorge Sanz  wrote:

> Agree, I don't think I'd like a nomination period + election being carried
> on with some editings in the wiki and a silent mailing list except by some
> announcements.
>
> On the other hand, answering with a +1 on a mailing list is quick and easy
> (and annoying if you don't use filters on your email).
>
> The off list option, like adding a comment on the wiki, (IMO) would be
> followed by fewer people and read by even fewer people. We are all lazy by
> nature, and an election process is not the most exciting activity we do.
>
> I agree the process can be improved, but when thinking about election
> procedures, as boring as they are, we need to put the reduction of
> participation barriers as a top priority if we want to reach the broadest
> audience, at least once per year.
>
> Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I
> want to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to
> try to cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.
>
> My 2 cents
>
>
>
> On 8 September 2017 at 15:15, Volker Mische 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
>> list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Volker
>>
>>
>> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
>> > run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
>> > to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
>> > now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
>> > real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
>> > visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
>> >
>> > Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
>> > but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
>> > involve additional work to create an automated system.
>> >
>> > just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
>> > /Brandon
>> >
>> > On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and
>> a
>> >> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Angelos
>> >>
>> >> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>> >>> Jeroen,
>> >>>
>> >>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and
>> check
>> >>> them all...
>> >>>
>> >>> Till
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>>  Hi all,
>>  It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding!
>>  The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
>>  valuable part of that!
>> 
>>  The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election.
>>  I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
>>  find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
>>  avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
>>  for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>>  Jeroen
>>  ___
>>  Discuss mailing list
>>  Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>>  https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >>> ___
>> >>> Discuss mailing list
>> >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>> >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Jorge Sanz 
Agree, I don't think I'd like a nomination period + election being carried
on with some editings in the wiki and a silent mailing list except by some
announcements.

On the other hand, answering with a +1 on a mailing list is quick and easy
(and annoying if you don't use filters on your email).

The off list option, like adding a comment on the wiki, (IMO) would be
followed by fewer people and read by even fewer people. We are all lazy by
nature, and an election process is not the most exciting activity we do.

I agree the process can be improved, but when thinking about election
procedures, as boring as they are, we need to put the reduction of
participation barriers as a top priority if we want to reach the broadest
audience, at least once per year.

Anyway, I'm super happy to see such a big number of nominations, and I want
to thank Vasile for the hard work and long hours he's dedicating to try to
cup with such a demonstration of enthusiasm.

My 2 cents



On 8 September 2017 at 15:15, Volker Mische  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
> list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.
>
> Cheers,
>   Volker
>
>
> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
> > run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
> > to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
> > now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
> > real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
> > visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
> >
> > Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
> > but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
> > involve additional work to create an automated system.
> >
> > just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
> > /Brandon
> >
> > On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
> >> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Angelos
> >>
> >> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
> >>> Jeroen,
> >>>
> >>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and check
> >>> them all...
> >>>
> >>> Till
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>  Hi all,
>  It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding!
>  The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
>  valuable part of that!
> 
>  The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election.
>  I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
>  find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
>  avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
>  for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
> 
>  Cheers,
>  Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Luigi Pirelli 
+1 a good compromise
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On 8 September 2017 at 15:09, Mateusz Loskot  wrote:
> On 8 September 2017 at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
>> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>
> move the traffic to dedicated electi...@lists.osgeo.org, perhaps ?
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Volker Mische 
Hi,

I think it's valuable to have the nominations being sent to the discuss
list, but I agree that seconding them should be off list.

Cheers,
  Volker


On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, brandon whitehead wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
> run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
> to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
> now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
> real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
> visit the page and check the results as they see fit.
> 
> Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
> but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
> involve additional work to create an automated system.
> 
> just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
> /Brandon
> 
> On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
>> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Angelos
>>
>> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>>> Jeroen,
>>>
>>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and check
>>> them all...
>>>
>>> Till
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
 Hi all,
 It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding!
 The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
 valuable part of that!

 The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election.
 I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
 find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
 avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
 for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).

 Cheers,
 Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Mateusz Loskot 
On 8 September 2017 at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.

move the traffic to dedicated electi...@lists.osgeo.org, perhaps ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Mateusz Loskot 
On 8 September 2017 at 11:54, Jeroen Ticheler
 wrote:
> Hi all,
> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The 
> process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of 
> that!
>
> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I fear 
> the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find another 
> way so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding everyones 
> inbox?

Jeroen,

Good call.

In previous years, I was arguing about the seconding idleness :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Luigi Pirelli 
great
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On 8 September 2017 at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
>
> Cheers,
> Angelos
>
>
> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>>
>> Jeroen,
>>
>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and check
>> them all...
>>
>> Till
>>
>>
>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The
>>> process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of
>>> that!
>>>
>>> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I
>>> fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find
>>> another way so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding
>>> everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up for about half of my
>>> email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Luigi Pirelli 
+1
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On 8 September 2017 at 11:54, Jeroen Ticheler
 wrote:
> Hi all,
> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The 
> process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of 
> that!
>
> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I fear 
> the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find another 
> way so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding everyones 
> inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up for about half of my email 
> traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>
> Cheers,
> Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread brandon whitehead 
Hi,

A potentially trivial change would be to keep the process the same, but
run through the wiki---i.e. use a wiki page as the venue for nominators
to log in and update/edit.  Freeze the page after a certain date, and
now there's an archived copy of the process.  Anyone interested in
real-time updates can simply log in and "follow" the page, others can
visit the page and check the results as they see fit.

Note, this is conceptually the same process for nomination and voting,
but it is collated via the wiki instead of email.  This also doesn't
involve additional work to create an automated system.

just a few thoughts from an interested lurker...
/Brandon

On 08/09/2017 11:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.
> 
> Cheers,
> Angelos
> 
> On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:
>> Jeroen,
>>
>> good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and check
>> them all...
>>
>> Till
>>
>>
>> Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
>>> Hi all,
>>> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding!
>>> The process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely
>>> valuable part of that!
>>>
>>> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election.
>>> I fear the election processes in the coming years already. Should we
>>> find another way so propose and second nominees in the future to
>>> avoid flooding everyones inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up
>>> for about half of my email traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Angelos Tzotsos 

Hi,

There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a 
proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.


Cheers,
Angelos

On 09/08/2017 01:01 PM, Till Adams wrote:

Jeroen,

good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and check
them all...

Till


Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:

Hi all,
It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The 
process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of 
that!

The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I fear 
the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find another way 
so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding everyones inbox? 
(For me these emails seem to make up for about half of my email traffic over 
the last weeks ;-( ).

Cheers,
Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Till Adams 
Jeroen,

good motion! I feel the same and honestly am not able to read and check
them all...

Till


Am 08.09.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Jeroen Ticheler:
> Hi all,
> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The 
> process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of 
> that!
>
> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I fear 
> the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find another 
> way so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding everyones 
> inbox? (For me these emails seem to make up for about half of my email 
> traffic over the last weeks ;-( ).
>
> Cheers,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

2017-09-08 Thread Jeroen Ticheler 
Hi all,
It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The 
process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of 
that!

The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I fear 
the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find another way 
so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding everyones inbox? 
(For me these emails seem to make up for about half of my email traffic over 
the last weeks ;-( ).

Cheers,
Jeroen
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