Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
If there were a north american event happenning at the same time as the bolsena one, I would like to attend. Erik On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10-Oct-08, at 6:23 AM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote: Thanks for that Lorenzo and Arnulf! Indeed, mark your calendars because I've booked the week of 15 – 21st June 2009 in Bolsena Judging by the great feedback of Jeroen's Bolsena event last year, I think it must be a great formula to replicate elsewhere as well. (Aside from the FOSS4G focused sprint). One person to lead it, pick a spot, set a price, set a minimum attendees and invite the developer world. Cancel if there isn't enough interest. Maybe unrealistic, but having a non-European event at the same time as Bolsena event might provide some level of real-time communication between dispersed teams who couldn't all make it to the same location. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
+1 IRC would make the bridge. don't go too far west! ;-) Erik Uzureau wrote: If there were a north american event happenning at the same time as the bolsena one, I would like to attend. Erik On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10-Oct-08, at 6:23 AM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote: Thanks for that Lorenzo and Arnulf! Indeed, mark your calendars because I've booked the week of 15 – 21st June 2009 in Bolsena Judging by the great feedback of Jeroen's Bolsena event last year, I think it must be a great formula to replicate elsewhere as well. (Aside from the FOSS4G focused sprint). One person to lead it, pick a spot, set a price, set a minimum attendees and invite the developer world. Cancel if there isn't enough interest. Maybe unrealistic, but having a non-European event at the same time as Bolsena event might provide some level of real-time communication between dispersed teams who couldn't all make it to the same location. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
I would like to second Jody's comments here regarding the timing of the code sprint. Having only attended two of these conferences, I can't speak with any sort of real authority, but from what I've seen, delegates tend to be pretty flogged by the end of the week, be that from thinking or from drinking. Having the code sprints scheduled at the *beginning* of the conference seems to me would offer several benefits: 1) people are at their freshest -- ok maybe the 19 hours in 47C weren't exactly a sponge bath... but you are essentially feeling on vacation, you haven't yet had to wake up and have your act together by 9am *sharp*, you haven't yet been out drinking till 5am four nights in a row (generally), jetlag might be working to your advantage (or you could at least find a few friends to code with you at 4am), and but most of all, you've been excited about this trip for months and now it's finally happening. game on. 2) time can be used as a last minute sprint to get a release out the door -- or at least an rc. This is always a nice thing to be able to announce to people *during* the conference, ie And if you want to try this out just download the new 5.7 release! versus download the latest 5.6 release and then apply this patch at www.example.org/hacks/great_new_feature.patch 3) The energy of having the developers all together huddling could make for super-valuable last-minute additions to presentations or workshops 4) Any and all unfinished business started during the code sprint can be followed up during coffee breaks and post-prandial brandy sessions in the lobby 5) Last day of conference is really last day of conference, and you can remorselessly go out and celebrate that last night Furthermore, I'd say bumping it up to at least two or three days is *definitely* worth looking into. Especially when you consider that you do get some oddball/outlier types showing up to these things, it's hard to get a plan set up, get newbies directed, *and* manage to actually write some code... that's all pretty hard to do in just one short day -- especially if there are time limitations like we experienced this year. I would say that especially in the case of paying steep airfares to attend, companies/individuals would probably be more than interested in spending a couple more days huddled together banging on work. anyways, just some thoughts. erik On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Jody Garnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would go for 3 days - it worked out well for the GeoTools community. Three days is enough time to effect change; but not so much time you get bogged down. I did find timing of a sprint right after FOSS4G to be a bit of a trouble for some (in addition to being tired ) reports this year indicate that sprints were hampered by the occasional hangover (no doubt due to wish others a good trip home the night before). Jody Paul Ramsey wrote: Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they? 2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers going for an extended weekend sprint). 2008 brings you another day. 2009 is still thinking about it. How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days? I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that OSGeo pays for directly. That way the conference organizers don't feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of promoting the development of the software. Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands of the software promoting team (whomever they may be). Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
Frank Warmerdam ha scritto: The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire financial onus on the attendies. For some that is pretty tough. I'd prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing their time and labor. I think this is a very sensible suggestion. Can we work out a budget and an expected outcome for this? This way it may be more attractive for potential sponsors. I know the plone tribe organizes regularly such events, and they have no major problems getting sponsors. Of course, Italy is a very hospitable place in all seasons, and we can find additional cheap and good places for this. All the best. pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: * http://www.faunalia.it/pc * ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
Paolo Cavallini wrote: Frank Warmerdam ha scritto: The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire financial onus on the attendies. For some that is pretty tough. I'd prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing their time and labor. I think this is a very sensible suggestion. Can we work out a budget and an expected outcome for this? This way it may be more attractive for potential sponsors. I know the plone tribe organizes regularly such events, and they have no major problems getting sponsors. Of course, Italy is a very hospitable place in all seasons, and we can find additional cheap and good places for this. Paolo, Note, I was suggesting drawing on the existing project sponsorship program rather than a sprint specific funding and sponsorship effort. In the case of GDAL it is already operating a project sponsorship program and has funds available that it's PSC could choose to use in this fashion. Currently there are no other OSGeo projects officially participating in the project sponsorship program so my idea is somewhat hypothetical. I do think there are several other projects that would be good candidates for the project sponsorship - for instance MapServer. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
Thanks for that Lorenzo and Arnulf! Indeed, mark your calendars because I've booked the week of 15 21st June 2009 in Bolsena. I would be happy to work with people to try to get sponsorship lined up for the event this year. I think last year's event was extremely economical from the point of view of participating (ignoring travel cost!). The total cost was well under 500 Euro for the full 7 days with full boarding. It will be the same next year, except that for reasons of simplification the price will be 500 Euro to participate (again, full boarding and a dinner in a special restaurant :-) ). The single payment is instead of splitting things up in detail (if you're participating 3 or 7 days, eating all nights, or just 2, etc...). We have space for about 30 people in total, but more precise details will follow on the WIKI later. Start getting organized :-) First come, first served. Suggestions and help to find sponsors are very welcome. Ciao, Jeroen On Oct 9, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote: On Sat, October 4, 2008 01:19, Lorenzo Becchi wrote: best Sprint I've ever been: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/European_GIS_Code_Sprint ciao lorenzo ps: thanks Jeroen! +1 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Hacking_event And better even, it will take place again. Paul Ramsey wrote: Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they? 2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers going for an extended weekend sprint). 2008 brings you another day. 2009 is still thinking about it. How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days? I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that OSGeo pays for directly. That way the conference organizers don't feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of promoting the development of the software. Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands of the software promoting team (whomever they may be). Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Arnulf Christl http://www.wheregroup.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that* :) Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
On 2008/10/09 10:57 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote: I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? A chalet? Back east? Isn't that the definition of Frank's place? ;-) -- Dave Patton CIS Canadian Information Systems Victoria, B.C. Degree Confluence Project: Canadian Coordinator Technical Coordinator http://www.confluence.org/ OSGeo FOSS4G2007 conference: Workshop Committee Chair Conference Committee member http://www.foss4g2007.org/ Personal website: Maps, GPS, etc. http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
Paul Ramsey wrote: I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that* :) Paul, Well, the idea is attractive to me. If I had a better internet connection I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a week! The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire financial onus on the attendies. For some that is pretty tough. I'd prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing their time and labor. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
Either way it comes out of the attendees since sponsorship is generally earmarked for those same people. Now if we could get an organization to sponsor the event that wouldn't otherwise get involved... Either way I'm in. Steve On 10/9/2008 at 2:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frank Warmerdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Ramsey wrote: I've been thinking about something similar to the Bolsena event in North America, but it's hard to work out a scheme that will be productive, given the geographic dispersal of folks. I think a C tribe sprint would be excellent, but we're pretty spread out (though biased towards Ottawa / Quebec). Anyone want to rent a chalet in the Gatineau hills? I'll burn some frequent flier miles to come to *that* :) Paul, Well, the idea is attractive to me. If I had a better internet connection I'd be willing to convert my whole basement into a programmer haven for a week! The downside of the Bolsena event, in my mind, is that it puts the entire financial onus on the attendies. For some that is pretty tough. I'd prefer to see an event that could be mostly paid out of project sponsorship funds (from projects like MapServer, and GDAL) with the attendies providing their time and labor. Best regards, ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
I would go for 3 days - it worked out well for the GeoTools community. Three days is enough time to effect change; but not so much time you get bogged down. I did find timing of a sprint right after FOSS4G to be a bit of a trouble for some (in addition to being tired ) reports this year indicate that sprints were hampered by the occasional hangover (no doubt due to wish others a good trip home the night before). Jody Paul Ramsey wrote: Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they? 2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers going for an extended weekend sprint). 2008 brings you another day. 2009 is still thinking about it. How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days? I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that OSGeo pays for directly. That way the conference organizers don't feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of promoting the development of the software. Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands of the software promoting team (whomever they may be). Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?
best Sprint I've ever been: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/European_GIS_Code_Sprint ciao lorenzo ps: thanks Jeroen! Paul Ramsey wrote: Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they? 2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers going for an extended weekend sprint). 2008 brings you another day. 2009 is still thinking about it. How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days? I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that OSGeo pays for directly. That way the conference organizers don't feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of promoting the development of the software. Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands of the software promoting team (whomever they may be). Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
