Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin

2009-09-28 Thread Chris Puttick
Or, of course, another option would be those members of OSGeo who are more or 
less corporate members could volunteer time of a member of staff who would 
otherwise be not contributing to the OSGeo effort.

And in defence of all those who are not developers, being a sys admin is rather 
harder than printing brochures or accounting. Some might even suggest it is as 
hard as being a developer. But we wouldn't want to listen to them, would we ;)

Cheers

Chris

- Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it wrote:

 Hi all.
 Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392
 I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list.
 For my experience, I do not
 think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me,
 server administration is a
 service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures.
 Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting
 resource for open source
 software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks
 to all who are doing it!).
 In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should
 be in charge of software
 upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc.
 All the best.
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 Paolo Cavallini: http://www.faunalia.it/pc
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin

2009-09-28 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Chris Puttick ha scritto:

 And in defence of all those who are not developers, being a sys admin is 
 rather harder than

sure, sorry if someone felt offended: I did not speak of hardness, just as a 
kind of work: you can
be a dev and contribute when you have good ideas/time/inspiration etc., if you 
are an accountant or
an admin you have to be there in time, that's it.
http://www.sysadminday.com/
:)
All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin

2009-09-28 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Paolo Cavallini wrote:
Hi all. Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392 I 
think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list.


Good point!

For my experience, I do not think server administration is well 
suited for volunteer work. To me, server administration is a service,

 more or less like accounting or printing brochures.


A 'poisonous' person may say that software development is a service
that is not well suited for volunteer work ;-)

Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting 
resource for open source software IMHO) is profitably spent 
administering servers (but thanks to all who are doing it!).


Agreed, absolutely!


In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should
 be in charge of software upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc. All the best.


If OSGeo can afford it, I think it's sounds like a very good plan.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo server admin

2009-09-28 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Hi all.
Concerning ticket http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/392
I think the discussion should be brought to the attention of the list. For my 
experience, I do not
think server administration is well suited for volunteer work. To me, server 
administration is a
service, more or less like accounting or printing brochures.
Moreover, I do not think precious developer time (the main limiting resource 
for open source
software IMHO) is profitably spent administering servers (but thanks to all who 
are doing it!).
In short, I'm suggesting to hire a part time server admin, who should be in 
charge of software
upgrades (e.g. the trac) etc.


Paolo,

Within some limits, I feel that system administration can be well suited to
volunteers.

I don't feel OSGeo can afford a good system administrator at market rates,
even part time.  If we were paying market rates I think it would take some
serious cost benefit analysis to determine if the Trac upgrade would be
a worthwhile investment of money.

Nevertheless, I do keep an eye out for possible system administration services
we could contract for at below international market rates to do some tasks
that are now generally left undone, even if we couldn't get the fire and
forget caliber of admin it would be nice to have.

I'd add that at this time SAC's budget is rather modest, and focused on
paying our Peer1 hosting costs, and the planned acquisition of some modest
additional hardware.

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