Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
Il 17/09/2014 22:42, P Kishor ha scritto: also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. +1 I share Puneet feelings. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
+1 for involving charter members Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 08.03 A: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members Il 17/09/2014 22:42, P Kishor ha scritto: also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. +1 I share Puneet feelings. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
This ' LocationTech and OSGeo collaboration ', appears to be some thing that the OSGeo Charter should involve and motivate opinion etc. Those at the helm may pl post a summary of the, 'storey so far'. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:23 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. Jachym 2014-09-17 22:42 GMT+02:00 P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com: My guess is, just as I do, most Charter Members find this entire thread very alien. For us who don't go to FOSS4G, OSGeo means something completely different (here is where I disagree with an earlier email--I think it was Jo Cook--that folks know OSGeo products but not OSGeo). To suddenly hear of all this chatter about FOSS4G being used as a football between OSGeo and LocationTech (an org I heard about for the first time also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com wrote: Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: From: Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo Date: 17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST To: P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the OSGeo community think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and share it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place. Maxi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS - http://pywps.wald.intevation.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Ravi Kumar___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
Hello, well said Gert-Jan. I would like to say that I feel that the Board is responsible to provide decision proposals, giving the full meaning / goals of each decision proposed (this is really important to me to be also more open in this part), clarifying the proposals may help for better understanding of the Foundation goals and should probably help in the past too, to make all the OSGeo Charter Members understanding where the Foundation is willing to go. Then if we have clear defined goals bind to the proposals made then it is more fair to ask the Charter Member to vote or amend the decision taken by the Board. I hope my point is clear, Best regards, Le 18 sept. 2014 à 08:14, Maria Antonia Brovelli maria.brove...@polimi.it a écrit : +1 for involving charter members Maria Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano ISPRS WG IV/5 Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications - Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET Scientific Commitee Member Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA) Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321 e-mail1: maria.brove...@polimi.it e-mail2: prorettr...@como.polimi.it Da: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org per conto di Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it Inviato: giovedì 18 settembre 2014 08.03 A: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members Il 17/09/2014 22:42, P Kishor ha scritto: also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. +1 I share Puneet feelings. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Gérald Fenoy http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Djay signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
HI all, As there is a request for Charter Members to chime in, here my 2 cents: The issue on hand is highlighting excellently the need for effective and efficient decision procedures based on mandates. OSGeo has but embarked on establishing these, currently discussions are driven more by gut feeling than by ordered bylaws and procedures. The fact that there are projects in incubation for 4.5 years [1] and still not done underlines this. A grassroots mindset is good for gathering people initially, but to exercise impact at large we need efficient, agreed decision structures. With some of the last posts I see that we are embarking in this direction, and I very much applaude to that. cheers, Peter [1] http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeo On 09/18/2014 09:59 AM, Ravi Kumar wrote: This ' LocationTech and OSGeo collaboration ', appears to be some thing that the OSGeo Charter should involve and motivate opinion etc. Those at the helm may pl post a summary of the, 'storey so far'. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:23 AM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. Jachym 2014-09-17 22:42 GMT+02:00 P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com mailto:punk.k...@gmail.com: My guess is, just as I do, most Charter Members find this entire thread very alien. For us who don't go to FOSS4G, OSGeo means something completely different (here is where I disagree with an earlier email--I think it was Jo Cook--that folks know OSGeo products but not OSGeo). To suddenly hear of all this chatter about FOSS4G being used as a football between OSGeo and LocationTech (an org I heard about for the first time also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com mailto:shfeld...@gmail.com wrote: Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: From: Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch mailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo Date: 17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST To: P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com mailto:punk.k...@gmail.com Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the OSGeo community think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and share it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: From: Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo Date: 17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST To: P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the OSGeo community think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and share it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place. Maxi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
My guess is, just as I do, most Charter Members find this entire thread very alien. For us who don't go to FOSS4G, OSGeo means something completely different (here is where I disagree with an earlier email—I think it was Jo Cook—that folks know OSGeo products but not OSGeo). To suddenly hear of all this chatter about FOSS4G being used as a football between OSGeo and LocationTech (an org I heard about for the first time also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com wrote: Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: *From: *Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch *Subject: **Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo* *Date: *17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST *To: *P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com *Cc: *OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the *OSGeo community* think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and *share* it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place. Maxi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. Jachym 2014-09-17 22:42 GMT+02:00 P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com: My guess is, just as I do, most Charter Members find this entire thread very alien. For us who don't go to FOSS4G, OSGeo means something completely different (here is where I disagree with an earlier email--I think it was Jo Cook--that folks know OSGeo products but not OSGeo). To suddenly hear of all this chatter about FOSS4G being used as a football between OSGeo and LocationTech (an org I heard about for the first time also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com wrote: Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: From: Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo Date: 17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST To: P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the OSGeo community think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and share it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place. Maxi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS - http://pywps.wald.intevation.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
yup, you nailed it. In fact, if the conversation is only about FOSS4G, I couldn't give a rip. Otoh, if the conversation is about OSGeo, its nature and what it stands for, I am all ears, and I do believe many other Charter Members would also want to be included. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Just noting, discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo .. or LocationTech. It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly) developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good. If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position. Jachym 2014-09-17 22:42 GMT+02:00 P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com: My guess is, just as I do, most Charter Members find this entire thread very alien. For us who don't go to FOSS4G, OSGeo means something completely different (here is where I disagree with an earlier email--I think it was Jo Cook--that folks know OSGeo products but not OSGeo). To suddenly hear of all this chatter about FOSS4G being used as a football between OSGeo and LocationTech (an org I heard about for the first time also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com wrote: Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: From: Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo Date: 17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST To: P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com Cc: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the OSGeo community think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and share it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place. Maxi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS - http://pywps.wald.intevation.org -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
Hi all, I'm also sure all local chapters charter members have a view, but after the discussion (or discussions?) over the last days it's not quite clear what's the topic anyway. is is about: - collabaration with any other organisation in general? - collaboration with LocationTech specifically? - outsourcing tasks (such as organizing large events, e.g .FOSS4G) - outsourcing on a local or on a global scale I agree with Puneet and Massimiliano (and probably serveral others who dropped out of this discussion anyway) to sort of moderate this discussion to make sure we're all discussing the same topic. In several boards (not specifically osgeo-related, by the way) I have seen to may discussions/polls/votes that seemed to have ended in an agreement, but after which the question arose OK, we've agreed, but ... agreed on what? Seems like a nice taks (for the board, iI guess) to decipher this spaghetti-like discussion into small, manageble (and preferably appetising) pieces. That will encourage Charter Members local chapters to (re-)join this valuable discussion. kinds regards, Gert-Jan Van: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Steven Feldman Verzonden: woensdag 17 september 2014 22:32 Aan: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; osgeo-board List; conference Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: From: Massimiliano Cannata mailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo Date: 17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST To: P Kishor mailto:punk.k...@gmail.com punk.k...@gmail.com Cc: OSGeo Discussions mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the OSGeo community think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and share it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website ( http://foss4g-e.org/ http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place. Maxi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members
I agree it is a bit strange P Kishor: I helped organise a very small foss4g-au unconference in 2012 with Nathan. A couple weeks ago Rob Emanuele asked if I could help out with foss4g-na - not sure what I will be doing yet. Rob is a passionate scala developer, and it is great to see that enthusiasm directed towards holding an event. I would rather make use of this time to hear tips and tricks for running a successful regional foss4g event. So if we are playing with a football, at least we are on the same team. Cheers, Jody Jody Garnett On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:42 PM, P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is, just as I do, most Charter Members find this entire thread very alien. For us who don't go to FOSS4G, OSGeo means something completely different (here is where I disagree with an earlier email—I think it was Jo Cook—that folks know OSGeo products but not OSGeo). To suddenly hear of all this chatter about FOSS4G being used as a football between OSGeo and LocationTech (an org I heard about for the first time also in this thread) is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your living room. Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing to do. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com wrote: Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view __ Steven On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, conference-europe-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote: *From: *Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch *Subject: **Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo* *Date: *17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST *To: *P Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com *Cc: *OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org Puneet, I agree with you, this is an hot decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the *OSGeo community* think about. In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys. BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and *share* it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this. So, my proposal is: 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal 3) Call for a vote from charter members 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters 5) Publish publicly the results 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (http://foss4g-e.org/) states clearly at the home page: OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial. I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion. It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place. Maxi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
