Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-08 Thread mike
Paolo Cavallini wrote: What I really miss on Terra* is the community: I tried several times to contact it, especially to help having updated debian packages, but never get a repy, something unusual for open projects. All the best. pc There is a message forum at

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-08 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Paolo, I just got the latest issue of Dr. Dobbs Magazine with this cover-page article South American Software Development: http://www.ddj.com/architect/205600791;jsessionid=AXESE4MZSIY54QSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN This article is more focused on Brazil than anywhere else in South America. It give a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-07 Thread Bruce . Bannerman
IMO. Gilberto, In 2003, I did a F00S4G market survey and published the results as a chapter of a US National Academy of Sciences book: Open Source GIS Software: Myths and Realities www.dpi.inpe.br/gilberto/papers/camara_open_source_myths.pdf. We analysed 70 FOSS4G software projects

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-07 Thread Dr. Markus Lupp
Hi Gilberto, Gilberto Camara schrieb: (Markus) So from my point of view it is possible to compete in the GIS market using an open source business model without any high-level government intervention (although it surely helps) I respectfully disagree. I doubt you could achieve the same

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-07 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Hi Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wrt the Brazillian TerraLib toolkit mentioned in your paper: - I've had a quick look at the web site. The product appears to be quite mature and functional. - Has anyone from this list had a technical look at the products and like to share their

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-04 Thread Luis W. Sevilla
Hi Gilberto (and list), only a couple of notes Gilberto Camara wrote: Dear OSGEO Discussion List members: Paul Ramsey┬┤s remarks are right on target. First, GIS is a large arena and there are different motivations for developers, that prevent them from joining a single project such as

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-03 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Hi all, I am *not* going to disagree with Andrea, Gilberto, Paul, Howard or anybody else. I just want to point out a interesting open source business model that is making a big impact this days. I am talking about Xen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen]. I keep reading news and more news

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-03 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:26:51AM -0500, Lucena, Ivan wrote: Hi all, I am *not* going to disagree with Andrea, Gilberto, Paul, Howard or anybody else. I just want to point out a interesting open source business model that is making a big impact this days. I am talking about Xen

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-03 Thread Paul Ramsey
Xen is one of those things where the market is SO DAMN HUGE that even the very SMALL proportion of money that an open source company can wring from the marketplace is actually non-trivial in an absolute sense. If Red Hat is only monetizing 0.01% of the Linux marketplace, that's still

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-03 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Gilberto Camara wrote: For the FOSS4G effort to be fruitful and sustainable, we need a very informed and candid assessment of our business model. My personal view, based on 25 years of experience, is that government intervention is essential for the open source model to survive beyond a handful

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-03 Thread Landon Blake
] Re: FOSS4GIS business models Xen is one of those things where the market is SO DAMN HUGE that even the very SMALL proportion of money that an open source company can wring from the marketplace is actually non-trivial in an absolute sense. If Red Hat is only monetizing 0.01% of the Linux

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-03 Thread Dr. Markus Lupp
Gilberto and all, I would like to give some comments on this from the perspective of a GIS company with an Open Source business model, I hope you will find them of interest. lat/lon was founded in the year 2000 as a private company (in Germany) and had from its beginning an open source

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

2008-01-03 Thread Landon Blake
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Markus Lupp Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:03 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models Gilberto and all, I would like to give some comments on this from the perspective of a GIS company