Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-21 Thread Teddy Payne
www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message-From: Cody Wehunt [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:04 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Well here is the thing.  From what I have seen the AbleCommerce product hasa lot to offer for a rel

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-21 Thread Steve Drucker
L PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:37 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I agree that it would be good to see how someone else approached the problem. But I personally think there are several issues with their schema a

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Cody Wehunt
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:19 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I will say that the $1000 it costs just for the Database, and data recording feature part of it all built up and a place to grow from it is probably worth that to have it as a starting point

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
- Curtis 1000 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:54 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group   I would like pursue this as well.   Thanks, Ruben Ramirez   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Ramirez, Ruben - Curtis 1000
I would like pursue this as well.   Thanks, Ruben Ramirez From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert ReilSent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:51 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Both I and Jared Rapp would

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Teddy Payne
Wasn't that for 4 to 5?I am not sure it was for 5 to 6 or 6 to 7.On 6/20/06, Douglas Knudsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:is it still the case that if you are certified for version n, you are certified for version n+1?DKOn 6/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> If I'm not in, I would

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Douglas Knudsen
is it still the case that if you are certified for version n, you are certified for version n+1? DK On 6/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If I'm not in, I would like to be added. I've got CF 6 and would like to get CF 7. > So far we have 3-4 people in the certification stud

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Teddy Payne
IL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion   Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:23 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion   Database Schema usually refers to the definition and design of your database.  You will see acronyms like DDL (Data Defintion Language) or some might

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Teddy Payne
une 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion   Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to tur

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:04 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Well here is the thing. From what I have seen

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion   Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:34 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group   Count me in John.  On 6/20/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone e

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Teddy Payne
Count me in John.  On 6/20/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know.   John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsu

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread pcc
If I'm not in, I would like to be added. I've got CF 6 and would like to get CF 7. > So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else > is interested please let me know. > > > > John > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ---

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread John Mason
So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know.   John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=log

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Brooks . Wilson
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Sure it isn't an all encompassing book. I think it works well as a place to start for programmers who have probably never taken database design in college or elswhere, which is probably the majority of CF programmers. It will help them to avoid

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Jeremy Allen
Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.4292 Country Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Di

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Cody Wehunt
: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I couldn't find anything that worked the way my client wanted so I am building my own. Am I nuts for trying? It is complicated, but not overly so. Am I missing something here? Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROT

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Lansford
esday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleC

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
TED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should n

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Steve Drucker
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
06 09:46 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Sure it isn't an all encompassing book. I think it works well as a place to start for programmers who have probably never taken database des

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Charlie Arehart
here isn't necessarily good practice. I'll have more on that in a moment. /charlie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:39 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Charlie Arehart
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:06 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Well we just talked about starting it back up from the last board meeting, but we can certainly start planning

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Charlie Arehart
and that topic. Jeremey's mention of the wikipedia is another good starting point.   /charlie   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy AllenSent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:50 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Mi

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Douglas Knudsen
by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]06/19/2006 09:34 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I don't particularly care for that book as the author goes on tangents that didn't seem to belong in a  database des

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404)  498-8449 "Dean H. Saxe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/19/2006 09:57 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Dean H. Saxe
n Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404)  498-8449 "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]06/19/2006 09:34 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Dis

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
nta Office (404)  498-8449 "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/19/2006 09:34 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I don't particularly care for

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Jeremy Allen
ral Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404)  498-8449 "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/18/2006 12:49 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Mi

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
06/18/2006 12:49 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning the basics of SQL Syntax. What I don't see is a good grounding in Normalization and

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread Cody Wehunt
amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread Cody Wehunt
Yes, I think I would like to finally get mine. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:06 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion The certification doesn&#

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread John Mason
Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:06 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I am interested in a Cert Class. Ironically I got my MCSE not for the money but wanted to know how it worked! How much better I could achieve a cert along the way and

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread Robert Reil
x 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:15 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert, I'm surprised no one else brought this up, but ACFUG actual

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread John Mason
ector, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion B

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread Robert Reil
92 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion By the way, if you haven't

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning the basics of SQL Syntax. What I don't see is a good grounding in Normalization and database design. The Learn SQL in 10 minutes book focuses on SQL Syntax and SQL Queries.  That is good... you DO need to know all of that and I suppose a structu

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Dean H. Saxe
a video that does cover CFMX, at: > > http://www.learnwebdevelopment.com/intro_to_coldfusion_mx.html > > I've not used either of them but the price for the latter is right to fit in > your budget. > > /charlie > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROT

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Steven Ross
ld find it. There's a more recent version> of something similar, a video that does cover CFMX, at: >> http://www.learnwebdevelopment.com/intro_to_coldfusion_mx.html >> I've not used either of them but the price for the latter is right to fit in > your budget.>> /charlie

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
s of CF and having a pretty > fair understanding of SQL and DB design.> > Rick>   -Original Message->   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Reil>   Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:25 PM>   To: discussion@acfug.org>   Subject: [ACFUG

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Douglas Knudsen
I've not used either of them but the price for the latter is right to fit in your budget. /charlie -Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:45 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] L

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Charlie Arehart
ment.com/intro_to_coldfusion_mx.html I've not used either of them but the price for the latter is right to fit in your budget. /charlie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:45 PM To: discussion@acfug

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Behalf Of Robert Reil > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:25 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion > > > Here’s an easy one! > > > > Whats the easiest cost effective way to learn how to get up and rolling in > CF? &

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Rick Lansford
, June 17, 2006 2:25 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Here’s an easy one!   Whats the easiest cost effective way to learn how to get up and rolling in CF? Budget a couple hundred. I have servers, and software. Should I take a

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
Oh.. and from a position of seeing how many people have tried to teach themselves programming it is NOT always an easy one to answer. Some people think that you can read programming books without actually writing code and still learn to program. Its just not true :) I think I already made that poin

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
I am a book learner. It really depends on what type of learner you are. Of course at a couple hundred dollars you won't be able to afford any hard core classes. You will be able to buy all of the books you need. A couple of good CF books, a good database design book, and maybe later one good book o

[ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Robert Reil
Here’s an easy one!   Whats the easiest cost effective way to learn how to get up and rolling in CF? Budget a couple hundred. I have servers, and software. Should I take a class, a web school, or use Forta’s Web App Construction site?   Opinions and links welcome...   Robert P. Re