Re: [discussion] Fwd: [Bug 2388] Parse dhcpd.leases and feed to tinydns

[Daniel Rose]

I'm not sure I care as much as all this, too many code names and inside 
jokes for me.  So what's nethserver, it looks like SME but with more 
lipstick.  What's the relation between the two?






On 06/04/17 04:23, smeserve...@free.fr wrote:

Le 04/04/2017 à 23:29, Daniel Rose a écrit :

Since this has arrived in my email, I'll comment as well, even if
I'm diluting the discussion.

SME server spends a lot of time explaining that it isn't a Linux
Distro, it's not for mythtv or gcc and so on, it's a simple, rock
solid solution for the specific set of problems it's targeted at.

I've been using this since version 4 (e-smith!), and the lack of a
link between DHCP and DNS has always made me a little sad.  It's
the kind of feature that really belongs in a product making claims
to be specifically targeted to do what it does.


My first reaction was to unsubscrib from this mailing-list, I forgot 
to do it after my last message about IXUS !



After reading 
[https://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2017-April/014022.html], 
my real reaction was :


who really cares, nobody cares, and me too, I don't care !


But you sent a message...finally there is someone who cares !

I found and added the contrib in question by sheer luck yesterday
when I was trying to find a way to set dhcp options for voip
phones in the server manager.

If you take features like this and make them contribs then it
dilutes the usefulness of SME-Server.  So long as DNS is core, and
DHCP is core, basic functions for both should be core as well, IMO.


Then I decided to have a look to this bug 
[ttps://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2388]. This bug is opened 
since 2007...10 years !


In the same time, I decided to compare the decision process for 
another bug [https://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8939], a really 
"useful" feature released in really short time (I'm the anonymous guy 
: good, they know how to anonymize when they want!)


You should now understand what I called "the bug in the machine".

My second reaction was : What does Zeroboni try to obtain or what does 
he expect ?




Maybe there is a secret war between C.Brown, D-Bil, Self=This, The 
Fool, The Fallen King and Zeroboni.


Maybe Zeroboni is trying to escape from his ivory tower to exist 
[http://community.nethserver.org/t/personalised-directory-for-e-smith-layer/6435/3] 
!


No, I don't think so, Zeroboni is just afraid because SME is near to 
experience an imminent death comparing to NethServer !


(With his huge voice, CB will say : STOP TO FEED THE TROLL ! Nothing 
must change ! )




Let's try to be serious 1 second.

This debate should be in their secret mailing-list for the board of 
dictators and the word "dictator" should be understood as Linus 
Torvald' behaviour for the kernel. But Linus is acoder ! How many 
coders in the board?


They all want to be a dictator in their own area, Zeroboni is the 
dictator of forums, his own forum because in the Nethesis one, this is 
more complex for him. But, Zeroboni is not the dictator of bugs, I 
suppose he would be if he could.


Finally, thanks to JPP, we all can have an idea about the Koozali' 
illness: "This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, 
Anybody and Nobody"...Does anybody care ?


XA



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Re: [discussion] Fwd: [Bug 2388] Parse dhcpd.leases and feed to tinydns

[Daniel Rose]

Since this has arrived in my email, I'll comment as well, even if I'm 
diluting the discussion.


SME server spends a lot of time explaining that it isn't a Linux Distro, 
it's not for mythtv or gcc and so on, it's a simple, rock solid solution 
for the specific set of problems it's targeted at.


I've been using this since version 4 (e-smith!), and the lack of a link 
between DHCP and DNS has always made me a little sad.  It's the kind of 
feature that really belongs in a product making claims to be 
specifically targeted to do what it does.


I found and added the contrib in question by sheer luck yesterday when I 
was trying to find a way to set dhcp options for voip phones in the 
server manager.


If you take features like this and make them contribs then it dilutes 
the usefulness of SME-Server.  So long as DNS is core, and DHCP is core, 
basic functions for both should be core as well, IMO.


However, I appreciate that it's one thing for me to make an 
architectural decision in line with the project's aims, and quite 
another to just assume that someone with the time and will to make it 
happen will just follow along, so I thank each and all of you for all 
your hard work over the years.


 - Dan

PS: Can we make FreePBX core as well please?   ;)


On 03/04/17 23:30, Stefano Zamboni wrote:


since I was explicitly requested to discuss this topic outside BZ, I 
forward it to devinfo and discussion



Bug 2388 was created to add to the core the feature of keeping in sync 
dhcp leases and dns entries


in the (long) bug's discussion some solutions were proposed and, at 
the end, Stephane created a contrib (thank you mate), because adding a 
feature to the core is harder than digging a tunnel under a mountain 
with a tea spoon :-)


now..

the code to solve/offer the requested feature already exists, so the 
bug itself should not exist and the code developed by Steph should be 
already merged into the core.


so, my first question is: why this code is not in the base?

and the second one is: since we moved it to the futurere and SME10 is 
in alpha stage (which is exactly the phase were you add and test 
features), what are the requested steps to add the code to the base?


thank you

S.



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Subject:[Bug 2388] Parse dhcpd.leases and feed to tinydns
Date:   Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:18:37 +
From:   bugzilla-dae...@contribs.org
To: zamb...@mind-at-work.it



*Comment # 137  
on bug 2388  from 
Jean-Philippe Pialasse  *

(In reply to Stefano Zamboni fromcomment #136 )
> I'm well aware of how things are supposed to work.. > > the "issue" here is that we already have a contrib, made by 
Steph, which > offers the requested feature..


that is not the issue I see. What I see here is the need to have dhcp lease and
dns to be in sync as base functionality.

Further more having a contrib is not an issue but a workaround. Thanks to
Stephan to have worked on it.

>> so, IMO, this bug should be cloned for SME10 and this one (which was 
a NFR > for SME9) closed..


which mean we loose the follow up existing in this bug, or we need to consult
two bugs to fully understand the situation. That's why we usually move the bug
to the higher version of SME available, so we can fix it with a full. Then
duplicate it to lower version where we want to backport it.

>> sounds reasonable?

what would sound reasonable is to keep on discussion on devinfo instead of
diluting this bug.

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Re: [discussion] The future of SME Server

[Daniel Rose]

On 06/04/13 06:43, Chris Pelon wrote:

Hi All

I run a small business IT services company in the US and we have just 
started to play with the SME 8 software.  So far it seems like a very 
nice project, and it would be only natural for us to help improve it.
I run a small business IT services company in Australia.  I've been 
using SME since 2000.



 1. I would have to agree that the marketing message of SME needs
work.  The current site somewhat works for technical information
but does a horrible job explaining what the server can do for
small businesses.

There's no marketing message because that's not what the whole thing is 
really about.  It's not the job of the developers or the community to 
explain what the server can do for small businesses. Thats your/my job.  
That's how it works, and why we can legally bill a customer $2,000 (or 
$2,000,000) for a copy of the software under the GPL and pay nothing 
back to contribs.org or Shad or anyone else -- provided that we can 
sleep at night of course!


 1. In my opinion, the primary competitor to SME is Microsoft Windows
Small Business Server.  Microsoft has announced that they will be
discontinuing SBS as a product. This will create a great
opportunity for SME as many small businesses will be searching for
a SBS replacement.

I agree with the second part of the comment, but in my experience anyone 
who can afford a legit copy of SBS will do so and not even consider 
SME.  Perhaps a more realistic competitor is pirated versions of windows 
server!  If you can sell someone out of SBS to SME that's fine-and-dandy 
but it's very easy for other people to come in and say Oh my god this 
stuff is so dodgy I can't believe... and have the poor business owner 
believe them! Often the sales guy believes it too, which doesn't help.



 1. Has the idea of paid commercial support been explored.  I for one
would be interested in offering this.



http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=38535.0

The core business model (IMHO) is that you-and-I provide paid commercial 
support to the end businesses with back-end donations (tithes? Whatever 
you like really) to the paypal account mentioned in other posts.


I have subscribed to the mailing list and hope to add/contribute to 
the project as needed/asked.



Cool!

Let me know how I can help.

At the moment I think it's $ and bug reports and any other help with V9, 
but I'm not helping much so I'm not sure. ;)

-Chris


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