Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Daniel, Am Mittwoch 29 August 2018 22:57:18 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > If you look at any of the significant resignations of CEOs or political > leaders, it is usually the same pattern: they have done many good things > but then they made one miscalculation and they have to go for the good > of the

Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Hi Paul, Am Mittwoch 29 August 2018 19:02:48 schrieb Paul Boddie: > Certainly, using the construct of the Fellowship to facilitate wider > participation in executive decision-making appears to have failed. even this I would not unconditionally agree too. The fellowship has help us to grow and to

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-29 Thread Harald Welte
Hi Alessandro, On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:35:21PM +0200, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > So, besides self-hosting (unfeasible for whole-kernel repos) A remark for non-kernel-hackers: The linux.git tree is so large that you need a serious amount of RAM (and I/O bandwidth, and CPU) to host git repositor

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-29 Thread Harald Welte
Hi Daniel, On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:12:14PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > If the abusive termination of somebody's membership by underhanded means > doesn't deserve a firm response, what does? Nobody argues against a *firm* response. You can be firm while still using constructive wording/langu

Re: financial reporting

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/08/18 22:14, Reinhard Müller wrote: > > Some of the suggestions you made in your last email might be worth > considering, did you ever consider to make them towards the people > actually in charge of the financial reports? Thanks for acknowledging that, that was the hope of my message and

Re: minimizing people's views (was: Merchandise production)

2018-08-29 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Daniel! Am 2018-08-29 um 22:56 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> Am 2018-08-27 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >>> People are asking how FSFE e.V. can raise[5] almost EUR 650,000 in one >>> year and spend barely EUR 37,000 on producing merchandise. >> >> I don't understand what exactly the question is

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/08/18 09:01, Harald Welte wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I have been watching your rants on FSFE list and in other places for > a significant amount of time. Like others, I do believe your intentions > are good, but your tone and behaviour is not constructive at all. > Actually, I think you're dama

Re: who has time for the GA?

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/08/18 10:22, Reinhard Müller wrote: > Am 2018-08-29 um 11:05 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> If you don't have time to meet people personally, it is inevitable there >> will be some misunderstandings in electronic communications, especially >> for those trying to squeeze too many things into their

Re: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignati)

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/08/18 15:46, Max Mehl wrote: > # Erik Albers [2018-08-29 11:22 +0200]: >> 3) most important: the vast majority of the FSFE members voted for another >>motion. A motion to keep you in office for the whole 2 year-term! >> >> Everybody can read this in the offical minutes: >> >> "The c

Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/08/18 23:04, Christian Kalkhoff wrote: > > As I used more and more of those services to help spread the word about Free > Software in Munich and Southern Germany, I was really encouraged and > supported > by those very employees to request what we/I needed. A significant part of > this su

Re: minimizing people's views (was: Merchandise production)

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/08/18 12:49, Reinhard Müller wrote: > Dear Daniel, > > after reading your email twice, I still can't make any sense of it, > unless it's just a rant by intention. Especially I can read neither an Why minimizing other people's views with such disparaging comments? Making comments like that,

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-29 Thread Ion Savin
On 29/08/2018 11:23, Bernhard Reiter wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 August 2018 09:22:57 schrieb Ion Savin: I don't see why UI tools wouldn't make this process as friendly as GitLab/GitHub MR/PRs but I don't think they exist yet. Have you checked out what latest Versions of Allura, Phabricator and gerr

Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Paul Boddie
On Wednesday 29. August 2018 18.35.52 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Am 2018-08-29 um 18:17 schrieb Paul Boddie: > > Fellowship now apparently being regarded as a failed attempt to increase > > engagement amongst supporters, members and others. > > I have no idea how you come to this statement. > > The

Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Reinhard Müller
Am 2018-08-29 um 18:17 schrieb Paul Boddie: > Fellowship now apparently being regarded as a failed attempt to increase > engagement amongst supporters, members and others. I have no idea how you come to this statement. The election of exactly one person per year from the pool of financial suppor

Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Paul Boddie
On Wednesday 29. August 2018 09.17.56 Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > > Am Dienstag 28 August 2018 16:28:44 schrieb Paul Boddie: > > I do recognise the > > effort made by both staff and volunteers within the FSFE, but I do also > > recognise the frustration some people have that their involvement with

Re: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignati)

2018-08-29 Thread Max Mehl
# Erik Albers [2018-08-29 11:22 +0200]: > 3) most important: the vast majority of the FSFE members voted for another >motion. A motion to keep you in office for the whole 2 year-term! > > Everybody can read this in the offical minutes: > > "The current Fellowship representatives' membe

Re: terminating memberships responsibly

2018-08-29 Thread Carsten Agger
On 08/28/2018 10:43 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: It was attempted in a very underhanded and juvenile manner, an administrative motion tacked onto the last page of a 9 page notice (attached), reading "The current Fellowship representatives' membership ends immediately after the this extraordinary G

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-29 Thread Jonas Öberg
Hi Daniel, I'm not subscribed to this list, so I didn't see your email until it was forwarded to me. However, as you're indirectly implicating me in your comments, I would like the opportunity to respond in the same thread: > With well over half of the funds now coming from the corporate sector

Re: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation)

2018-08-29 Thread Erik Albers
Hi Daniel, On 28.08.2018 09:25, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 27/08/18 16:02, Erik Albers wrote: >> Hi Daniel, >> >> I like to believe that your activities and communication are with good >> intention and you like to change things for the good. However, you should >> keep >> in mind that we are a or

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-29 Thread Reinhard Müller
Am 2018-08-29 um 11:05 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > If you don't have time to meet people personally, it is inevitable there > will be some misunderstandings in electronic communications, especially > for those trying to squeeze too many things into their life. ... says the person who didn't attend an

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/08/18 09:15, Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > >> If people had differences of opinion with me, there have been many >> opportunities to discuss that with me at events but for the record, I'd >> like to make it clear no other member ever did so. > Unfortunately we did not meet at events, because I

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-29 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Am Mittwoch 29 August 2018 09:22:57 schrieb Ion Savin: > I don't see why UI tools wouldn't make this process as friendly as > GitLab/GitHub MR/PRs but I don't think they exist yet. Have you checked out what latest Versions of Allura, Phabricator and gerrit and do to solve this use case? (I am se

Re: terminating memberships responsibly (was: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation))

2018-08-29 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Daniel, [while I am quoting from this mail which I understand you have intended to be public, I only quote and respond on the points I believe the public can understand. My aim is to protect you, me and others from writing something in anger that afterwards cannot be retracted from public

Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi, Am Dienstag 28 August 2018 17:32:20 schrieb Michael Kesper: > Real membership was invite-only and restricted to about a dozen people. > Nowadays everyone can apply for it. note that Michael writes about the formal membership of the e.V. which is a legal backbone of the FSFE (but not identica

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-29 Thread Ion Savin
Hi Alessandro,I do share your concerns. Hosting your projects is just half the problem.The bigger problem in my view is that a large number of projects don't have an alternate way of accepting contributions, just GitHub PRs which force you to create a GitHub account.I think it is worth convincing p

Re: supporting our fellowship representative

2018-08-29 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Paul, Am Dienstag 28 August 2018 16:28:44 schrieb Paul Boddie: > I do recognise the > effort made by both staff and volunteers within the FSFE, but I do also > recognise the frustration some people have that their involvement with the > organisation is largely confined to paying their membershi