Re: GitHub, proprietary services and Save Code Share (was Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?)

2019-05-06 Thread Mirko Boehm
Hello, > On 6. May 2019, at 12:37, Paul Boddie wrote: > > On Saturday 4. May 2019 13.42.51 Nikos Roussos wrote: >> On 03/05/2019 19:00, Paul Boddie wrote: >>> So, in the case of the Copyright Directive, where much fuss was made about >>> keeping code sharing platforms free of copyright filters,

GitHub, proprietary services and Save Code Share (was Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?)

2019-05-06 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 4. May 2019 13.42.51 Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 03/05/2019 19:00, Paul Boddie wrote: > > So, in the case of the Copyright Directive, where much fuss was made about > > keeping code sharing platforms free of copyright filters, it seemed that > > the FSFE was acting to defend GitHub and

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-05 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 03/05/2019 19:00, Paul Boddie wrote: > So, in the case of the Copyright Directive, where much fuss was made about > keeping code sharing platforms free of copyright filters, it seemed that the > FSFE was acting to defend GitHub and various proprietary services on the > basis > that they

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-04 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Besnik! >> Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: >>> we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us >>> "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? Am 03.05.19 um 23:46 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > I'm not claiming that donation money was spent for that. Thank you for

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Fri, 3 May 2019 15:00:30 +0200 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Hi, Besnik, > > all sarcasm aside, > > Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > > we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > > "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? > > what exactly do you refer to in

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Fri, 03 May 2019 18:00:03 +0200 Paul Boddie wrote: > why the FSFE has avoided or abandoned such a role when it could have > been more influential. This leaves impressions of apathy or a lack of > guidance or strategy, none of which are particularly reassuring to > supporters of the

FSFE paying lawyers (was: Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?)

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Paul! Am 03.05.19 um 23:08 schrieb Paul Boddie: > It is possibly the more interesting discussion from my perspective, but I can > understand that your perspective may be different. So I hope you don't get me wrong when I ask you to open a new thread for the discussion which you (and

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 3. May 2019 22.00.24 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Dear Paul, > > thank you for your verbose reply. You're welcome! > Am 03.05.19 um 18:00 schrieb Paul Boddie: > >> Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > >>> we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > >>> "safeguard" Free Software

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Karun! Am 03.05.19 um 18:36 schrieb Karun: > I think the FSFE needs to change to become an Organisation where the > FSFE Fellows/Supporters are actually members like many other > Organisations. For instance I’m a member of Proveg e.v. and there you > are actually a member and not just a

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Dear Paul, thank you for your verbose reply. Am 03.05.19 um 18:00 schrieb Paul Boddie: >> Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: >>> we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us >>> "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? >> >> what exactly do you refer to in this

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Karun
I think the FSFE needs to change to become an Organisation where the FSFE Fellows/Supporters are actually members like many other Organisations. For instance I’m a member of Proveg e.v. and there you are actually a member and not just a „financial contributor“ like with FSFE. -- Karun

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 3. May 2019 15.00.30 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Hi, Besnik, > > all sarcasm aside, > > Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > > we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > > "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? > > what exactly do you refer to in this

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Besnik, all sarcasm aside, Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? what exactly do you refer to in this sentence? If FSFE spends money on something, I'm usually among the first

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Besnik, You are right. I forgot about the witch hunting clan within the FSFE. How silly of me! Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is

Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Fri, 03 May 2019 06:35:17 -0400 Florian Snow wrote: > Hi Christian, > > I think such a massive violation of privacy and attacking > & manipulating our infrastructure is not just a mess to be cleaned > up, it requires the proper legal response as well. So nobody ever try to raise censorship