Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

[Stephane Ascoet]

Le 20/01/2018 à 09:09, White_Rabbit a écrit :

I wouldn't call "full" a social life which cannot be lived without proprietary platforms. 
Maybe "fully controlled" could be a better description


Hi, I don't speak sufficiently English to understand all these little 
words subtleties but it seems we're not exactly living in the same 
world. Here to be sure to fully use public transports, we need to be 
ultra-connected with a pocket-computer(occasionally doing badly phone 
function). Same thing for going to the theatre, museum and so on. Most 
organisation's local groups use gayfam services to communicate. If 
you're not active on these platform, you have no chance to find a job in 
the private sector, new friends, boy/girlfriend(s). By chance I work in 
public sector, I'm so much busy that I don't need to find so much people 
and occupations and I found a loving mate several years ago to continue 
with the same examples but how would I do if I was younger in this 
world? And things will become worse and worse: to find an flat, to pay 
legacy taxes and so on need more and more to compromise ourselves with 
these technologies. And additionally, finding ways to resist consumes a 
huge lot of time, energy, money and make us pictured as nerdy and so on. 
Not very good for social life...

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Re: free/open technology for home heating systems

[David Rabel]

Hi Daniel,

I'm not sure if I understand perfectly what you are looking for.

I know there is (was?) a group called osdomotics, mainly from austria,
aiming to push forward home automation solutions built on free/open
technology. http://osdwiki.open-entry.com/doku.php/:en:start

We built a heating control based on free components, you may want to
have a look at it: https://noresoft.com/heating_control_en.html
Unfortunately it never got further than that prototype.

Yours
  David


On 22.01.2018 10:20, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> 
> There are government grants in Ireland for heating controls, I put more
> details on my blog[1].
> 
> Is anybody aware of technology for this purpose that is running free
> software and interfaces with free/open standards?
> 
> Can this be achieved using a custom solution with Raspberry Pi or
> similar devices running free software?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
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Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

[bruno]

On 2018-01-22 10:10, Stephane Ascoet wrote:

[...] Here to be sure to fully use public transports, we need to be
ultra-connected with a pocket-computer(occasionally doing badly phone
function).


I suppose "here" means Paris or France. I bet it's possible and not too 
complicated to use public transports without a pokécom 
(pocket-computer). You buy a ticket and you hop on. Or maybe you can 
also buy directly onboard. Like we've been doing for more than one century.



Same thing for going to the theatre, museum and so on.


Ditto. Are ticket booths/websites banned in France?


Most
organisation's local groups use gayfam services to communicate. If
you're not active on these platform, you have no chance to find a job in
the private sector, new friends, boy/girlfriend(s).


I don't believe you: one single counter-example (one single person being 
able to find a job or a friend) would invalidate your point.



By chance I work in
public sector, I'm so much busy that I don't need to find so much people
and occupations and I found a loving mate several years ago to continue
with the same examples but how would I do if I was younger in this
world? And things will become worse and worse: to find an flat, to pay
legacy taxes and so on need more and more to compromise ourselves with
these technologies. And additionally, finding ways to resist consumes a
huge lot of time, energy, money and make us pictured as nerdy and so on.
Not very good for social life...


I have been "resisting"* for a while. I don't know how much more time, 
energy, money I would have if I had given in, but I live a pleasing 
comfortable life.
Anyway, I'm not going to waste more of my time and other people's 
bandwith arguing while you cannot defend your point with a logical argument.

/b

*I feel ashamed using such a meaningful word as "resist" to mean 
something as ordinary as "not using proprietary platforms".

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Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

[White_Rabbit]

Il 22 gennaio 2018 23:39:55 CET, Paul Boddie  ha scritto:
>[...]
>
>There's no need to be rude.
>
>Although one can always say that things are not as bad as people claim,
>there 
>are already places where non-smartphone solutions have been eliminated.
> [...]

I absolutely agree, the "mandatory pokécom" problem is real. But emails with a 
"the sky is falling!" theme without data to back them up drive me crazy. 
Furthermore the "it's not possible to have a full social life" argument is just 
false.
Anyway, I'm sorry: I should just cool down :)
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Re: free/open technology for home heating systems

[Chris]

There's the UK-based OpenTRV (Thermostatic Radiator Valve).

https://twitter.com/OpenTRV
http://opentrv.org.uk

Their mailing list has gone quiet so I don't know current status (they have 
working prototypes) but the product is open source control for individual 
radiators (the valve) with a central hub.
"On the radiators, you screw on a thermostatic radiator valve (TRV) that can be 
switched on and off by radio. The OpenTRV control unit is a separate small box 
with just a couple of buttons and a single LED. It senses the temperature and 
whether anyone is in the room and if it decides or is instructed to heat up the 
room, signals the TRV on the radiator to open up. There is another OpenTRV unit 
attached to the boiler and when that unit hears the call from an OpenTRV unit 
to its radiator, switches on the boiler to provide hot water."
http://opentrv.org.uk/what-is-opentrv/

Probably not grant-approval ready but not vapourware and seem approachable from 
past on mailing list.

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, at 11:59 AM, David Rabel wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I'm not sure if I understand perfectly what you are looking for.
> 
> I know there is (was?) a group called osdomotics, mainly from austria,
> aiming to push forward home automation solutions built on free/open
> technology. http://osdwiki.open-entry.com/doku.php/:en:start
> 
> We built a heating control based on free components, you may want to
> have a look at it: https://noresoft.com/heating_control_en.html
> Unfortunately it never got further than that prototype.
> 
> Yours
>   David
> 
> 
> On 22.01.2018 10:20, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > 
> > There are government grants in Ireland for heating controls, I put more
> > details on my blog[1].
> > 
> > Is anybody aware of technology for this purpose that is running free
> > software and interfaces with free/open standards?
> > 
> > Can this be achieved using a custom solution with Raspberry Pi or
> > similar devices running free software?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Daniel
> > 
> > 
> > 1. https://danielpocock.com/keeping-an-irish-home-warm-and-free
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Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

[Paul Boddie]

On Monday 22. January 2018 19.31.44 br...@tracciabi.li wrote:
> On 2018-01-22 10:10, Stephane Ascoet wrote:
> > [...] Here to be sure to fully use public transports, we need to be
> > ultra-connected with a pocket-computer(occasionally doing badly phone
> > function).
> 
> I suppose "here" means Paris or France. I bet it's possible and not too
> complicated to use public transports without a pokécom
> (pocket-computer). You buy a ticket and you hop on. Or maybe you can
> also buy directly onboard. Like we've been doing for more than one century.

Here in Oslo, you can buy tickets on buses, trams and boats, but you pay more 
to do so. It is possible to buy tickets in advance on underground station 
platforms and at certain shops, but the emphasis has moved towards selling 
paperless tickets, meaning that you either have to get the special travel 
smartcard or use a smartphone.

Interestingly/annoyingly, you cannot add money to the smartcard online, 
whereas you can pay for travel in the smartphone "app". And I imagine that 
they will never get round to supporting general online payment because the 
real aim is to make everyone use their phone.

I think I already mentioned in a previous discussion that the process of 
checking tickets is prone to failure, because it relies on people's phones 
having good connectivity and performance. And that is with an underground 
train network with good mobile coverage relative to some other cities.

It could be worse. When I was at FSCONS in Gothenburg back in 2012, things 
were already awkward enough that you couldn't buy tickets on the bus at all, 
meaning that people travelling from the non-central venue back to town who 
didn't have a smartcard or some kind of mobile device backed with a full 
Swedish subscription had no way of actually paying for travel, short of 
walking into town first and then buying a ticket and, well, that makes no 
sense at all.

(So, one of the locals just suggested not paying and not worrying about any 
ticket inspection because it was claimed that the inspectors had no legal 
authority or at least no effective power to demand money from foreigners. What 
kind of business deliberately makes it difficult for itself to accept money 
from its customers?)

[...]

> Anyway, I'm not going to waste more of my time and other people's
> bandwith arguing while you cannot defend your point with a logical
> argument. /b

There's no need to be rude.

Although one can always say that things are not as bad as people claim, there 
are already places where non-smartphone solutions have been eliminated. 
Carsten Agger noted in a thread last September ("Is lack of software freedom a 
valid reason for refusal?") that some parking vendors mandate smartphone "app" 
usage.

We now risk encountering precisely the kind of "walled garden" Internet that 
the likes of Apple wanted to cultivate in the early 1990s before the genuine 
Internet became broadly popular. For a number of good reasons, that is very 
much something to be worried about.

Paul
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Re: free/open technology for home heating systems

[Davide Dozza]

Hi Daniel,

OpenHAB  (http://www.openhab.org/) could be a candidate?

There is also a distro running on a Raspberry PI
(https://docs.openhab.org/installation/openhabian.html) but it's
supported on many other distros.

Davide


Il 22/01/2018 10:20, Daniel Pocock ha scritto:
> There are government grants in Ireland for heating controls, I put more
> details on my blog[1].
>
> Is anybody aware of technology for this purpose that is running free
> software and interfaces with free/open standards?
>
> Can this be achieved using a custom solution with Raspberry Pi or
> similar devices running free software?
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel
>
>
> 1. https://danielpocock.com/keeping-an-irish-home-warm-and-free
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free/open technology for home heating systems

[Daniel Pocock]

There are government grants in Ireland for heating controls, I put more
details on my blog[1].

Is anybody aware of technology for this purpose that is running free
software and interfaces with free/open standards?

Can this be achieved using a custom solution with Raspberry Pi or
similar devices running free software?

Regards,

Daniel


1. https://danielpocock.com/keeping-an-irish-home-warm-and-free
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Re: free/open technology for home heating systems

[Giovanni Biscuolo]

Hi Daniel,

* Daniel Pocock [2018-01-22 10:20:35 +0100]:


There are government grants in Ireland for heating controls, I put more
details on my blog[1].


I read you blog post and the Heating Controls Grant page
https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-grants/better-energy-homes/heating-upgrade-grants/

good luck for your grant!


Is anybody aware of technology for this purpose that is running free
software and interfaces with free/open standards?


ouch! standards in home automation... good luck :-S

I'm definitely not an expert in this matter but I'm hacking since 2016 in my
spare time

home automation systems are composed by a controller and a set of
sensors/actuators, I want a _full_stack_free_sofware_ solution in my home,
including actuators and sensors

an interesting source of info is https://www.mysensors.org/, see
https://www.mysensors.org/about/components for an introduction on the
infrastructure

unfortunately many actuators/sensors comes with proprietary software
installed and no way to replace it with a free one

https://home-assistant.io/ is one of the major free software home automation
controllers and is able to interface to **a lot** of components (sensors and
actuators) on the market: https://home-assistant.io/components/, climate
including https://home-assistant.io/components/#climate

one of the components is the Generic Thermostat 
https://home-assistant.io/components/climate.generic_thermostat/

you could use to tunr on/off your zone heating system based on the
temperature reported from a sensor from the same zone... this obviously
works only if you have one heating system for each zone (rare case, I guess)

in my home (Italy) I have a central heating system and each radiator is
controlled by a manual valve, I'm still searching a way to interface a
controller (i.e. home-assistant) whith **free software** remotely controlled
radiator valves; this is an example of the current results:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=home+assistant+radiator+valve=ffsb=web


Can this be achieved using a custom solution with Raspberry Pi or
similar devices running free software?


the problem is the "devices" (aka actuators, like radiator valves for
example) part of the infrastructure: I'm not aware of a free software
operated one

ciao
Giovanni


1. https://danielpocock.com/keeping-an-irish-home-warm-and-free


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