Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

[Eike Rathke]

Hi kreyren,

On Wednesday, 2021-02-10 08:46:15 +, krey...@rixotstudio.cz wrote:

> Justify bad code and elaborate on bad mail user agents.

No. But if these produce text I can't read and cripple "source code" to
be discussed there's no incentive to even follow a discussion.

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Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Valerio,

On Wednesday, 2021-02-10 09:13:35 +0100, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

> On Tue, 2021-02-09 at 22:40 +0100, Eike Rathke wrote:
> > Before discussing coding standards we should rule out bad Mail User
> > Agents that produce totally unusable text/plain from text/html in
> > their
> > multipart/alternative:
> 
> I don't consider those Mail User Agents as bad, producing text/plain
> from text/html is a security feature in some mail clients, for example
> in Evolution.

You misunderstood. I didn't say that text/plain is a bad thing, but the
text/plain that your MUA generated for the text/html is catastrophic,
resulting in unlegible and even wrong "source code" for people who do
not use HTML mailers.

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Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

[Eike Rathke]

Hi,

On Monday, 2021-02-08 10:56:43 +, Jacob Hrbek wrote:

> Should FSFE provide some kind of platform for community to discuss and 
> propose coding standards?

Before discussing coding standards we should rule out bad Mail User
Agents that produce totally unusable text/plain from text/html in their
multipart/alternative:

> Bad code:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> 
> number=
> 
> "5"
> 
> if
> 
> [[
> 
> "
> 
> $number
> 
> "
> 
> =~ [0-9] ]];
> 
> then
> 
> whatever;
> 
> fi
> 
> - Works only on systems with dynamic linking
> - Bash is not part of standard portable OS → Not portable
> 
> Good code:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> # shellcheck shell=sh # Written to comply with IEEE Std 1003.1-2017
> [](http://get.posixcertified.ieee.org/)
> number=
> 
> "5"
> 
> case
> 
> "
> 
> $number
> 
> "
> 
> in
> 
> [0-9]) whatever;
> 
> esac


As sent, both are bad code.

  Eike

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Re: ereader suggestion with a no-bells and whistles

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Allan,

On Sunday, 2020-08-16 11:46:27 +0200, Allan Francis Lowe wrote:

> I am looking for a e-reader.

PocketBook, Tolino or Kobo (my personal gut order of preference).

> If possible with may be with some reinstallable OS

What for? Anyway, PocketBook and Kobo devices usually run a Linux custom
kernel and BusyBox. Tolino runs Android (at least on newer devices?).
The Kobo hacking community might be largest.

You'll find many threads for those three (and more) in
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50

  Eike

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Re: "Awesome Free Software Site" www.afs.one

[Eike Rathke]

Hi,

On Tuesday, 2020-03-24 00:37:48 +0100, Guido Arnold wrote:

> >   https://www.afs.one/
> Doesn't work for me right now.

When using uMatrix it works sometimes if one enables XHR for
api.github.com
raw.githubusercontent.com
api.unsplash.com

I don't see much benefit in a site that just lists some apparently hand
picked software names with a few detached numbers or cases. It lacks
software that is not published by a single company.

It doesn't even have LibreOffice :-P

If you don't know a name or publisher already the site doesn't help you
anything.

If its goal is to present success cases then it fails to present the
success cases.

https://github.com/Fonds-de-Dotation-du-Libre/awesome-free-software
"Our ultimate goal is to ensure that Enterprises can take control of
their IT through Free Software and reduce their risks thanks to this
model of publishing."

A hollow phrase without meanig.

The project seems to be dead, last commit Nov-2019

  Eike


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Re: List of payable jitsi hosters?

[Eike Rathke]

Hi,

On Friday, 2020-03-20 13:47:09 +0100, Christian Kalkhoff wrote:

> Not actually a list, but Netways is offering hosting of Jitsi, Nextcloud and
> Rocket Chat for 3 months for free now. [1]

Free only for the first 100 users who grab it.

  Eike

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Re: List of payable jitsi hosters?

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Bernhard,

On Friday, 2020-03-20 12:57:13 +0100, Bernhard E. Reiter wrote:

> do you know a good list of jitsi hosters
> that people can just book accounts or a server for their organisation?

I only know of two, the 8x8 already mentioned and
https://www.fairkom.eu/fairmeeting
that is hosted in Germany and not on Amazon or such.

Lists of Jitsi instances:
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/wiki/Jitsi-Meet-Instances
https://fediverse.blog/~/DonsBlog/videochat-server

  Eike

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Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software

[Eike Rathke]

Hi,

On Friday, 2019-05-24 10:13:57 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:

> In Nazi Germany

Godwin's law, you lost.

                   
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Re: Request for Clarifications

[Eike Rathke]

On Monday, 2019-05-06 17:49:16 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:

> > To: discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu, discussion@lists.fsfe.org
> >> [...]
> > Interesting how that mail did not make it to Pocock's list, where every
> > mail now is manually approved.. or discarded..
> 
> Given that over 90% of people are subscribed to both lists, the censors
> have to work extra hard to try and guess which mails the other censors
> will accept and then discard them to avoid any user receiving the same
> mail on both lists.

You are talking ridiculous nonsense.

  Eike

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Re: Request for Clarifications

[Eike Rathke]

Hi,

On Saturday, 2019-05-04 15:41:26 +0200, Diogo Constantino wrote:

To: discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu, discussion@lists.fsfe.org

> [...]

Interesting how that mail did not make it to Pocock's list, where every
mail now is manually approved.. or discarded..

  Eike

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Re: Paper "Security record of open source and free software"

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Matthias,

On Friday, 2017-08-18 10:51:21 +, Matthias Kirschner wrote:

>  https://www.esmt.org/sites/default/files/dsi_ipr5_engl-dt.pdf (English
>  and German)
> 
> Looking forward to your comments.

Thanks a lot! I think that is a valuable summary of analysis which can
be used when presenting Free Software to decision makers who aren't
quite accquainted yet with this field..

I also like that in the recommendations it mentions enterprises should
build developer capacity and get involved with the community. This can't
be emphasized enough.

What might be missing are some pointers to sites with information about
how projects value best practices and address security measures, for
example
https://scan.coverity.com/projects
https://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/

  Eike

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  density on Coverity
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Re: Idea: science packs for schools?

[Eike Rathke]

Hi,

On Friday, 2016-11-25 14:32:25 +0100, Matthias Kirschner wrote:

> One idea which came up is to support pupils to learn more about how
> computer work, and promote hacking by providing "science packs" with
> small hackable computers, and some modules, sensors etc. 

Maybe interesting to German readers:
https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programmieren_leicht_gemacht_-_ad%C3%A4quate_Modelle_f%C3%BCr_den_Einsatz_im_Unterricht

It doesn't only list what "packages" already exist (some a tad old
though) but also gives a short overview about what qualifies a learning
software.

> What do you think about making it easier for pupils to get access to
> such tools. E.g. by having some packs in the libraries or for school
> projects? 

In general yes, though if hardware based then for school projects they
have to be offered in quantities to supply (multiple) entire classes or
courses. In which case it's also difficult to make schools actually
*want* them to use. Need approval, financial care, interested teachers,
depending on country/state buy-in from ministry, yadayada..

> If you like it, do you have an idea how you could make sure that
> children who are interested in that are connected around Europe? (E.g.
> in Germany there is something called "Jugend hackt" -- youth is hacking
> -- Is there something similar on a EU level? Or are there other ideas?)

Just found at https://jugendhackt.org/ (now even was at Seoul btw ;-)
https://hackdash.org/

  Eike

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