Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Things to keep in mind, simply put: - Community oriented GPL enforcement (generally more friendly people in regards to these matters, if you also are committed to implement or discuss their suggestions in a friendly way/tone): SFLC, SFC, FSF. - Something else I can't decide: LF, Linux

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes

* Adonay Felipe Nogueira [2017-11-22 11:24:30 -0200]: [...] Alessandro Rubini made an interesting point: market dominance isn't addressed with free/libre software philosophy (nor with its products). ehrm: Rubini did *not* said that 2017-11-22T12:37:50+0100 Alessandro Rubini wrote: [...]

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ,, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi all, I gave my little contribution to this discussion (maybe to confusion also, sorry!) and I have nothing to add to all I said my *last* thought: please consider that this thread is becoming too long and too wide in scope to be manageable, there are very interesting contributions from

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Just to note that I'm also "pro-business", also because I believe in the other half of freedoms 2 and 3. But as was evidenced here, and in the parent thread I replied, my "pro-business" mood changes when seeing businesses getting in the way of the advance of free/libre software *philosophy* (not

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi, > Seems easy indeed ... but you do not seem to acknowledge that large > corporations have an infrastructure and revenues that others don't have. > Android was forked its a one man's project running on a negligible number of > devices , its obviously impossible to compete. That doesn't seem

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ,, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hello Bruno :-) > you must acknowledge that the 98% does not really know what this is about, dont' you think? Well, I am not sure if I mean to ignore it Bruno. It's just that there has been some push back in other areas too which I believe are also important issues to discuss openly. I think

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hello, This thread is very interesting and it seems that a new discourse is developed by FSFE representatives, that is not so much shared by many people on this list. Subject: Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes From: Heiki

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ,, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Mat Witts <ad...@yuj.it> ha scritto: [...] This thread is about 'Free software and open source philosophies differ,,    sometimes    with radically different outcomes'. I have been posting on that topic, not about the FS definition which doesn't get us any closer to resolving the proble

Free software and open source philosophies differ,, sometimes with radically different outcomes

every individual to develop software privately and assert rights that are not compatible with FS definition, but this topic is not about what we may think or do as individuals but how 'Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes'. I also like to suppo

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:45:48PM +, Mat Witts wrote: > People that promote Free Software know about what that means, people > that promote Open Source may or may not, so whereas a Free Software > advocate is obviously committed to (at the very least) ideas of > communitarian living, an Open

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi, * Paul Boddie [2017-11-18 14:54:52 +0100]: One of those people even went on the record recently to boast that he had used his influence to eliminate his employer's financial support for one of the few organisations who can be bothered to pursue Free Software licence violations I don't

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi Mat, > an Open Source advocate is likely to be either 1) Confused I would ask that we do NOT label anyone, neither Free Software or Open Source advocates as "confused". This is absolutely not consistent with the FSFE's view. It implies a moral superiority which isn't a view we'd be happy to

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ, sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi, > whether someone talks about Free Software or Open Source is not a good indicator of where on this political spectrum they fall. Well, a person can 'talk about' socialism and about 'the right'from any perspective, for sure. But what a person chooses for themselves I think does tend to

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi everyone, occasionally, people in our community make mistakes. I do too, and in this case, I spoke (or wrote) a bit hastily: > I have no patience for socialism and I've never voted for the right. These are strong words which I should not have put out there. The point which I tried to make

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

hi, An opinion that appeals to center/moderate politics by combining two distinct yet related concepts is not the moderate or reasonable position it is sometimes mistaken for. This is a journey into mysterious niches of political activism where FS involvement is implicated in a global, market

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

On Saturday 18. November 2017 07.13.12 Jonas Oberg wrote: > > As has already been said, people sometimes talk about "open source" when > they refer to the four freedoms, or vice versa. I do not think it's > helpful for anyone to try to divide people by the terminology they use. > > I can not

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi everyone, As has already been said, people sometimes talk about "open source" when they refer to the four freedoms, or vice versa. I do not think it's helpful for anyone to try to divide people by the terminology they use. I can not stress this enough, because it strikes a nerve. I am what

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

I couldn't have said better. I fully agree with you on these points. Thank you very much! ;) hellekin writes: > Hi Carsten, I think precisely the opposite, that words convey values, > and the values in turn shape the meaning of words. Now we have a > different situation from

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi, We do prefer Free Software as a term and happily tell people so. We will never tell anyone they are wrong to say Open Source though, and we expect others to extend the same curtsey to us when we talk about Free Software. Best Jonas On November 17, 2017 7:31:26 PM GMT+01:00, Giovanni

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi everyone, I swear this are my fist and *last* two cents about this topic I'm considering (re)becoming a FSFE Supporter (ex Fellow) after some years of absence; I feel an urgency to to something after the (last) *desperation* [1] I suffered for the "MINIX on ring -3" "discovery", I hope to do

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 02:58:29PM +0100, Carsten Agger (@agger) wrote: > > The values are more important than the words. > Hi Carsten, I think precisely the opposite, that words convey values, and the values in turn shape the meaning of words. Now we have a different situation from 1998, and

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi everyone, in this discussion, as has been pointed out before, it's useful if people please remember this article, which is the comparison the FSFE points to officially when people ask: https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/basics/comparison.en.html I quote a relevant part: > The Free Software

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

On 11/17/2017 02:47 PM, Carsten Agger wrote: > Admittedly, there's a lot of lack of ambiguity or clarity here. Argh, not a "lack" of ambiguity - there *is* a lot of ambiguity, sorry. > > Check out this very beatiful folder from one of our clients, the > municipality of Aarhus (in Danish): > >

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

On 11/17/2017 02:39 PM, Carsten Agger wrote: > > On 11/17/2017 01:54 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > >> Open source is not right wing, and free software is not left wing. >> Nobody is saying that the software is one thing or the other. But I would >> argue that people with a neoliberal perspective are

Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

Hi, A good reason to stay out of discussions would be if we were to consider that we have nothing to add that could improve them. A bad reason would be because the subject matter strains the limits of subjective human incredulity. I don't think that  J.B. Nicholson's argument rests on whether

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

On Friday 17. November 2017 03.30.40 Mirko Boehm wrote: > > > On 17. Nov 2017, at 09:13, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > > > > That is self-contradictory but begins to get into why the open source > > development methodology and philosophy exists. In short, open source is > > (as